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28 May 2019, 7:40 pm

I agree with the people that said your therapist was out of line. Such advice would be forgivable from a friend, but is unacceptable from a trained professional.

Different woman respond to different approaches and different men are successful with different approaches.


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28 May 2019, 8:01 pm

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Are you sure your therapist said " You don't want them to come off like a predator" - that's crazy talk

It's best not to come across desperate but the thoughts you have does not make you a predator - tell your therapist Ferris said she's a quack.


Since his therapist sees him in person, she might be more knowledgeable about how he comes across than we are.


Why the f**k did you comment then ?


Umm...that was rude.

I was just sharing my personal experience of how it feels when I’m talking to someone and his mind appears to be elsewhere. I wasn’t referring to the “predator” comment.

I’m not sure why we would question the potentially helpful advice she was offering. This could be a path towards progress for Marknis.


Well I was referring to the predator comment , If you think "Should I ask for her number?", "Does she already have a boyfriend?", "Has my time finally come?", "Does she even find me attractive?", are predator thoughts you're mental


What the heck are you talking about?

What he is THINKING about at that moment in question is not the point.

Its his outward demeanor. How he looks. A socially inept and impaired male person maybe innocent as a baby, but can come off Looking threatening. That's the point. Loitering around and getting wound up into obsessive thoughts might make you look odd, and could make you look like a predator.



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28 May 2019, 8:07 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
SaveFerris wrote:
Twilightprincess wrote:
SaveFerris wrote:
Twilightprincess wrote:
SaveFerris wrote:
Are you sure your therapist said " You don't want them to come off like a predator" - that's crazy talk

It's best not to come across desperate but the thoughts you have does not make you a predator - tell your therapist Ferris said she's a quack.


Since his therapist sees him in person, she might be more knowledgeable about how he comes across than we are.


Why the f**k did you comment then ?


Umm...that was rude.

I was just sharing my personal experience of how it feels when I’m talking to someone and his mind appears to be elsewhere. I wasn’t referring to the “predator” comment.

I’m not sure why we would question the potentially helpful advice she was offering. This could be a path towards progress for Marknis.


Well I was referring to the predator comment , If you think "Should I ask for her number?", "Does she already have a boyfriend?", "Has my time finally come?", "Does she even find me attractive?", are predator thoughts you're mental


What the heck are you talking about?

What he is THINKING about at that moment in question is not the point.

Its his outward demeanor. How he looks. A socially inept and impaired male person maybe innocent as a baby, but can come off Looking threatening. That's the point. Loitering around and getting wound up into obsessive thoughts might make you look odd, and could make you look like a predator.


Again if this was said by a friend who was trying to be helpful but didn't know how it would be fine. It wasn't. It was said by a trained professional whose job is to help him address his struggles.

Saying "Just be friendly" to treat social/romantic anxiety is about as good advice as telling a person with panic disorder "Just stop worrying."


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28 May 2019, 8:20 pm

It's good advice, because he needs to be concentrating on how to create and nurture a connection, not obsessing on how that connection will benefit him.


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28 May 2019, 8:21 pm

The best marriages that I've observed are those where the couple are good, maybe even best, friends, as well as being turned on by each other.



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29 May 2019, 3:09 am

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If you meet a girl keep it casual and ask her to do stuff a few times before asking her out


Exactly. If you ever do such a strange thing as asking her out.



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29 May 2019, 3:21 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
The best marriages that I've observed are those where the couple are good, maybe even best, friends, as well as being turned on by each other.


I'm not disagreeing with that, but the order doesn't need to be: Friend -> relationship. Could also be: Crush -> relationship -> best friends.



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29 May 2019, 3:49 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
I might go as far as to advocate that Marknis pretend that she's not a "woman I'm interested in," but to think, rather, that "here's a person I feel like talking to about things that interest me."

Forget the "asking out" for now. Just practice talking with women. I would even advocate having women as friends. Having women as friends taught me a lot.

I just wanted to dig this ^ ^

Practice casually talking to girls until you are comfortable with them.
Practice "just being friendly".
Some things that NTs get for granted may require a lot of practice for an autistic.
Being comfortable or not is a huge nonverbal signal.


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29 May 2019, 6:45 am

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29 May 2019, 7:51 am

In most fire departments, one has to pass rather rigorous physical tests.

I would guess a volunteer fire department in a small town would be somewhat different, though.

But one really has to be strong to be a firefighter. And have a strong stomach, too.

I, myself, don't believe I would have made it as a firefighter or as a cop.



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29 May 2019, 8:03 am

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Ya'know I remember you saying you didn't like your job as a librarian... Anf so have you thought about maybe trying to join your local fire department? Just a thought. Do whatever you feel like doing.

That's so random and irrelevant to the post at hand that I'm perplexed as to why you'd even post it, or where the idea came from.

Marknis is not in good physical shape, he's mentioned being overweight, having underdeveloped muscles and I think he even mentioned something about neuropathy in his feet. Fire fighters need to be physically fit, strong and agile, so Marknis would need to do a lot of work in order to get to that stage,.and seeing as he's said nothing even close to indicating that he's interested in being a fire fighter, your post seems extremely random and out-of-place.



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29 May 2019, 8:06 am

We, actually, don't know how "strong" and "agile" Marknis actually is.....



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29 May 2019, 8:11 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
We, actually, don't know how "strong" and "agile" Marknis actually is.....

When someone mentions having underdeveloped muscles, it's pretty reasonable to conclude that they're less strong than average, and fair enough, the lack of agility is a guess based on Marknis being overweight. Overweight people tend not to be as agile as those who are not overweight. I've never seen an overweight fireman. Firefighter is one of those jobs where peak physical fitness is ideal.



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29 May 2019, 8:14 am

I've seen overweight firemen....and obese cops.

I know what you mean, though.

It is likely that Marknis, being in a sedentary job for a long time, isn't in "prime" physical shape.

Then again, I'm not, either. I'm not in "bad" shape, and I can probably pass the minimum requirements for being a cop or fireman (and can certainly pass the requirements for the Armed Forces), but there's much more to being a cop or fireman than mere physical strength and agility.

It's good that Marknis is sticking to the library job for now.



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29 May 2019, 9:18 am

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29 May 2019, 9:24 am

I've known people who are unfit/overweight get themselves into shape to join the military or fire service. If you're serious enough then a couple of months at the gym or running will help... you may even get to like it. You just don't want to be the unfittest guy in the class on day one.


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