Is he only playing the Aspie?

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19 Aug 2019, 4:24 pm

I have been persued by many married men and men in commited relationships and, the men were unable to resist so the responsibility to make the moral decision was mine.
It may sound sexist but in my experience men find it very difficult to resist a sexual opportunity. I know women seduce married men also, but serious flirtation is difficult for the men I know to resist.
That being said Elizabeth, love has no logic and I am familiar with being consumed by it, throwing all caution to the wind.
I have been known to be deeply infatuated, only to realise further down the line that I have created through my yearning for love a script that was more fiction than fact. Have you written here before under a different name? You seem familiar. Wish you wise decisions and happiness.


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19 Aug 2019, 4:34 pm

thank you teach, and no, i am new here (albeit apparently not the only one with these issues :))



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22 Aug 2019, 4:23 am

If it helps I have a married aspie friend who gave out all those signals at the beginning. . . . . . . .he has also done the same with other women I know, but is totally shocked when people say he is leading them on. . . . . . . .for the record also it only lasts for a certain length of time. I think when he feels he knows people enough or properly he doesn’t feel he has to impress. . . . . . But each and everyone of us humans are different. . . . .. . .. I think the intensity you can feel from someone aspie when they are genuinely interested in us can be overwhelming to “normal” folks. . . It can also feel like you are being dropped from a great heigh when that intensity of interest fades. . . . . .. .



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22 Aug 2019, 6:19 am

ElizabethBerlin wrote:
We met by accident and liked each other immediately. He made it clear that he has a relationship with someone he deeply loves and intended be faithful too. At the same time, when we met it was like falling in love. We saw each other, couldn't stop talking and decided to meet again a week later (despite super busy lives) and have continued to do so. I am single and did fall in love with him, his intelligence, his warmth, his being slightly different and while I respect his relationship have told him I want him to be a special and close friend. He said that ours was a "instant love" in a platonic way and he wants us to be friends "forever" (at meeting Nr. 2)


Many Aspies are unable to have friendships that look anything like the typical friendship, and they often are mixed-gender I-wish-it-was-a-relationship instead.

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He behaves (in my book) very very flirtatious. When he has a day off and his girlfriend is working he will spend the whole day with me, sometimes, when we meet he will call me from his bike just so we have more time to talk. And even though he insists on not kissing (and I agree, since I don't want an affair with all its complications) he will sit in my apartment and make little compliments and gestures ("you have great legs", touching my knee when sitting accross me) that usually lead to kissing. Only he does not want to kiss. Or he will come to the station so he can see me before a trip, things that I've only ever heard from people who wanted more than friendship. Whenever I do something he likes very much, he will blurt out "I love you". And these are just some examples.


IOW, it is the I-wish-it-was-a-relationship type of friendship.

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Then I learned that while all of this was happening he was preparing to get married to his longtime partner. I was quite shocked and when we talked about it, he insisted that I knew about his love for his girlfriend, which is true. I can maybe accept that he can love like this, but when we talked about the situation and how it hurt me he seemed not take an responsibilty for what he happend. He declared ours a "deep friendship" and that he was generally "overly friendly", and that this sometimes causes problems. "Friendly" I think is the wrong word her, neglecting the erotic and romantic undercurrents of our friendship.


Well, it resembles what his mind thinks is a friendship, but that, in reality, is courtship.



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22 Aug 2019, 6:23 am

ElizabethBerlin wrote:
But my trust is so low with him basically declaring all these signals of romance (I mentioned some) into "friendliness" or being surprised how I read them. And what I am wondering is, if this blindness towards the signals you send might be explained by some Autism-type thing. Or if this does not sound familiar and he is just as someone said a confused jerk.


I think you read the signals right, and things do have a romantic overtone. It cannot be mindblindness on his account when he is the one sending the signals.



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22 Aug 2019, 6:25 am

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Thank you! But you see, this are his own signals, he had been sending. Like phoning me from the bike "so we can talk longer". Or saying "I love you" when I did something. Or touching me briefly when alone with me. Or sitting across me and looking into my eyes. To me this is romantic/flirtatious and what really puts me off is that he seems almost unable to see that it was this way. And I am wondering if this might be an "Aspie"-thing. Or just plain old not admitting to something.

It's also possible that he's not fully aware of his own feelings. Many (not all) autistic people have something called alexithymia, difficulty identifying one's own feelings.


The problem is, he has been communicated them pretty well to her, and so cannot be alexithymia.



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22 Aug 2019, 6:27 am

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In my opinion your friend behaved inappropriately for a man in a relationship. He wanted to have his cake and eat it too. And to justify his little affair by labelling it as platonic.


Kind of. It's called polyamory and is more common among NDs/Aspies. So, here you have something that has some merit. :wink:



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22 Aug 2019, 6:42 am

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If it helps I have a married aspie friend who gave out all those signals at the beginning. . . . . . . .he has also done the same with other women I know, but is totally shocked when people say he is leading them on. . . . . . . .for the record also it only lasts for a certain length of time. I think when he feels he knows people enough or properly he doesn’t feel he has to impress. . . . . . But each and everyone of us humans are different. . . . .. . .. I think the intensity you can feel from someone aspie when they are genuinely interested in us can be overwhelming to “normal” folks. . . It can also feel like you are being dropped from a great heigh when that intensity of interest fades. . . . . .. .


NT guys do that too though. Lots of interest and then they get bored. It's not just an aspie thing.



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22 Aug 2019, 7:05 am

Well, he reminds me of me quite a bit, and I've never been unfaithful to anyone in my life (although to be honest I can think of one time when I wanted to be). There's obviously a spark of some kind between you. When that happens, I find the line between friendship and sexuality gets blurred: this sometimes happens even with another male. Fortunately I have slightly more self-control than the gentleman you're describing, but only slightly. I've struggled to refrain from jumping on both male and female friends whom I liked very much, even while sincerely in love with someone.

I would not feel comfortable guaranteeing you that he is on the Spectrum and doesn't mean to mess you around, but I am comfortable in assuring you this COULD be so. And if that spark of genuine friendship is there between you, it would be a shame to walk away from it.



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22 Aug 2019, 7:50 am

p.s.

Forgot to mention I have NO idea how to flirt, and on the rare occasions a girl has been trying to flirt with me I've missed it completely, yet in a situation where flirtation is the last thing on my mind, sometimes I've been told I was being blatantly flirtatious. I assume because I don't know what the signals are or how to read them, I also don't know if I'm inadvertently giving them out. Even if in theory, at the age of 46, I know some basic rules of social interaction, my processing speed is too slow for me to keep up with events, so self-awareness and self-control can go right out of the window. Again, that isn't necessarily the case with the person you're asking about, but it could be.


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22 Aug 2019, 8:11 am

I think with AS there can be issues around not understanding the difference between flirting and being friendly, because our understanding of social cues and body language tends to be poor. There can also be confusion between different types of relationship, that is, telling the difference between a platonic friendship and a romantic partnership.

I think (if he is Asperger) there may have been an element of AS-NT misinterpretation. Because to those of us with AS, what we say is usually more true to ourselves than how we act. If he has said he is in a committed relationship, he probably expects you to take that seriously, and not harbour any romantic notions towards him. He may need you to tell him the boundaries that need to be applied to honour that.

Or, he may know perfectly well what he is doing, and is playing you along.

Either way, take care and protect your heart.



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22 Aug 2019, 9:24 am

MrsPeel wrote:
I think with AS there can be issues around not understanding the difference between flirting and being friendly, because our understanding of social cues and body language tends to be poor.


That's only relevant between NDs and NTs and not between NDs (AS/Aspies).

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There can also be confusion between different types of relationship, that is, telling the difference between a platonic friendship and a romantic partnership.


I think it goes a lot deeper than that. I don't think NDs and NTs even agree on what friendship is, what a romantic relationship is, how to distinguish them, and where the line to being unfaithful starts. We too often assume it is the NT definitions that count, but these are not natural for NDs, and so might not be respected or lived up to.



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22 Aug 2019, 10:30 am

Very true. There again, I'm not sure there is even NT-NT consensus about what friendship is. For some it is a rare and special thing, very emotional, for others it doesn't seem to have any meaning or significance. Some people, whether NT or ND, seem to feel a spark, a pull, a magic (I know I do). One NT acquaintance of mine appears to regard this as a symptom of my mental illness (yes, he does view AS as an illness) and says I'm lonely because I'm too choosy; I think he's just shallow and unemotional: he has an implausible number of people he calls friends, none of whom has any more nor less significance for him than any of the others. So when it comes to NT definitions of friendship, it depends which NT you're talking to!

In this case, it sounds like both parties are feeling some kind of a spark, or pull, or magic, so hopefully they can arrive at their own definition (assuming the guy is genuine, which I reckon he could be).


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22 Aug 2019, 11:20 am

The thing I don't get is that I can't flirt unless I'm comfortable with and attracted to someone. I literally can't.

That's why I get so hurt when guys string me along. It's alien to me to be able to be that comfortable with someone and for it not to be a serious feeling.

My friend thought that I really had a chance with a certain guy because she's literally never seen me be flirtatious and that comfortable with any man.

I understand that this is my own reality I rarely connect with or feel comfortable with others and when I do it's special and this is just how i am. I understand that others are different, but I can't cope with how unserious and how flippant/meaningless it is to others.



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22 Aug 2019, 9:55 pm

I get that people lose interest etc etc heck I do it myself with my own friends, the problem comes regarding the communication of the situation. . . . ..

How do you tell the difference with an aspie if he has lost interest. . . . Or if he still values and respects you as a friend but has just moved onto other matters of interests so has less time to spare for you. Especially if he feels fairly confident in your friendship. . . .. . . ..

I can have this conversation with other friends. However with lovely aspie friend. He would become confrontational, or irritated or misunderstand what I am saying. . . . .

At the moment we are good. I have very little expectations of him. I hope and believe he values our friendship. . . . .but I never REALLy know



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22 Aug 2019, 9:58 pm

I have spoken to his new special friend, and she has had exactly the same problems as me, but she is not so bothered about keeping the friendship going.. . . . .
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