GiantHockeyFan wrote:
I have mentioned it before but here are a few more examples looking back that I missed:
* At 18, a 20 year old female coworker invited me to her hotel room to "have a drink" to which I replied I wasn't 19 yet.
* Another 20 year old coworker literally threw herself at me and when I caught her and asked what she was doing claimed she was just practicing her ballet moves.
* When I was 27, a younger coworker used to tell me that I looked really good almost every day, one time even giving me a "half-wink" to the point mutual coworkers thought we were in a relationship.
* I once had a women walk close to me, smile and say hello..... at 2am in a dark downtown parking garage. She actually walked away from her vehicle too so it wasn't a case of protecting herself from a potential dangerous man. There was a 99% chance she was at the movies by herself just like me.
My ex and my wife are very different but one thing they both said to me repeatedly was how many women blatantly check me out in public.
This sort of rings a bell. Not that I've ever had a wife, but from things people have said to me after the event (or rather, after the NON-event), I have unwittingly missed a few opportunities in the past that were actually being offered to me on a plate. I mean "a few" in the literal sense of "a smallish number", not in the casually understated sense of "loads". But still, if you thought only a handful of people had ever been attracted to you, and then you learn that a whole OTHER handful of people were also attracted to you, doesn't that represent a gain of 100%?
GiantHockeyFan wrote:
Apologies for sidetracking the thread
I'm not sure you have sidetracked it. I'm not sure the thread was ever really, purely about going to the gym. What you appear to be proposing is that someone with A.S.D. can, irrespective of his (or her) gym membership and physical attributes, be inherently attractive, purely for who he or she actually IS. And if that is what you're getting at, then I feel you may have a point.
Old-fashioned males such as my humble self still fall headlong into the trap of believing that all men are phallocentric morons and all women are wise and caring and balanced and objective. It's a beautiful myth, but a myth is what it is. Some males can be deep and sensitive. Some females can be ditzy and callous. So, going to the gym may help some men to get some women into bed. And those women are not necessarily shallow: they may be highly intelligent and profoundly emotional and utterly sincere, yet have a bit of a thing about men who go to the gym. Why not?! I've never crossed a girl off my list for failing to resemble Vanessa Paradis, but one who DID happen to resemble Vanessa Paradis would almost certainly be fast-tracked to the top of the list...
So I'm not denying that physical attributes can matter very much to some people, and I'm also not saying those people are necessarily shallow, but it is important to bear in mind that for quite a lot of people, it's who you ARE that is attractive/intriguing/desirable/wonderful, not your physical dimensions (which are inevitably going to deteriorate within the foreseeable future, anyway...).
It is, I gather, more difficult for others to like who you are if you don't, yourself, like who you are. Even so, a few have been attracted to me even while I was busy hating who I was. Still, liking oneself (to a not excessive extent) probably is a good idea, and cannot fail to help. Maybe going to the gym could help you to like yourself, but your true self resides on the inside, not in the external features. You could have a perfect body and yet still be a perfect a***hole. Would you be proud of that? Would it get you the partner you desire?
If you're relaxed and comfortable in whatever body you have, and with whatever personality you have, then actually you're already at a considerable advantage, and that's going to win you admiration.
If not, I wouldn't start at the gym. I'd start by finding myself a really good psychotherapist.
And yes, if you ask, that is what I did do, and it did work.
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