Accepting too many red flags

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hurtloam
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14 Oct 2019, 12:27 pm

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Better to loved and lost then never loved at all.


It wasn't love. I don't know what it was. An empty box once I opened it.

A bad relationship isn't love. People who've been in bad relationships have never really been loved. I know people in their 50s who are now divorced and may not meet anyone else. Their whole lives, they were never really loved. It's really sad.



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14 Oct 2019, 6:08 pm

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sly279 wrote:
Better to loved and lost then never loved at all.


It wasn't love. I don't know what it was. An empty box once I opened it.

A bad relationship isn't love. People who've been in bad relationships have never really been loved. I know people in their 50s who are now divorced and may not meet anyone else. Their whole lives, they were never really loved. It's really sad.

Many bad relationships didn’t start out bad, they just end bad. Lots of them have years of good times then turn sour. My brother and his ex had years and years of good times, then he lost his job, she became a drug addict and abusive. But he had 15 years of loving relationship and got a daughter out of it. So I doubt he regrets it, he might regret the few years he stuck with her despite her being bad. My bio dad foo was good until he started doing drugs and abusing my siblings. From what I can gather the relationship was good until then. Like my brothers ex be turned became a different person. Maybe if he’d never done drugs and got therapy for his childhood abuse.

They were loved for while. It’s easy to look back on relationship that went sour and only see the bad, but there was good that’s why they got into the relationship. I think most relationships will go sour, people who spend a lot of time together all eventually get angry at each other. People aren’t meant to be alone but don’t seem meant to spend a lot of time with same people either. Last few years living with my family sucks but it use to be good. I think we’ve lived together too long. I think it’s best to remember the good times as well as the bad and nit get jaded about relationships.

My best friend abused me last year I was friends with him, does that erase the 15 years of our friendship that was good? Does it mean he never liked me? No course not. Does it mean I should kept being his friend , no. But I was liked, he did like me, he did a lot for me, defended me a lot, he was in many ways another brother. I knew him since middle school. So 12 years old until I was 24/25. I don’t regret our friendship. I wish he hadn’t changed. I miss our friendship, I miss my best friend. He changed, my best friend died, killed by this new person he became. I could look back and say he never liked me and the whole friendship was abusive, but that wouldn’t be true. No one had my back like he did before that last year. He’d probably given up his life to save me if need be and me for him. I’ve seen and known many who had such relationships, they had many years of good times, people change, doesn’t erase the good times. People can love and like you then years later don’t anymore, that doesn’t erase that they did at one point. People who keep that like or love together until death are rare.
I think this irritates me, I think if most people evaluate the whole relationship they’d see this, but the pain from the abuse is more current end overrides it.
Movie and book sequel likewise tend to ruin the series, but thst doesn’t erase the good of the first movie or books. Land before time is a great movie, it’s sequels should be destroyed.

You can remember the good without forgetting the bad. When I think of my old friend I remember the good years. I won’t let the body year make me jaded against friendships.which is what I think a lot of people do after relationships go sour. I see a lot of women’s profiles with rants about men cause of their sour relationships. I’m like why are you even trying to date then. Even if they asked me on date I’d say no, they jaded, I’d never live past their jade. So until they can see the good and move past thy really should date. That’s irrelevant though as I’m not considered good enough by them.


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14 Oct 2019, 8:59 pm

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They were loved for while. It’s easy to look back on relationship that went sour and only see the bad, but there was good that’s why they got into the relationship. I think most relationships will go sour, people who spend a lot of time together all eventually get angry at each other. People aren’t meant to be alone but don’t seem meant to spend a lot of time with same people either. Last few years living with my family sucks but it use to be good. I think we’ve lived together too long. I think it’s best to remember the good times as well as the bad and nit get jaded about relationships
Just because things turn bad & go sour doesn't mean the relationship will always stay that way or that there is no more good in it. Nobody is perfect & people can have good days & bad days. Lots of people wanna throw in the towel & jump ship as soon as their relationship hits & bump in the road. Something goes wrong for a bit & they think their partner is bad for them or that they're bad for their partner & that they should end the relationship. Those people move on to the next person hoping their next relationship will be problem free only to eventually have their relationship hit another bad patch & the cycle continues.

Me & my girlfriend have fights sometimes & we have some days where we think we're both awful for each other & sometimes we even wonder if we should end our relationship so the other would be better off & won't have anymore fights. However there is LOTS of good in our relationship as well. We both understand & support each other better than anyone else has(a lot of the time anyways). We just have times when we get frustrated by stress going on with life & little things with the other that may annoy us from time to time & then we reach our limit & blow up at each other. Then we both feel awful for upsetting the other & feel we're not good enough for each other. This does NOT mean we should end our relationship just cuz we have bad moments & doubt things sometimes. We would have problems with any future relationship we may get in cuz we're both human. What's key is that we're both committed to each other & are willing to put forth the effort into trying to work on ourselves & help the other do the same so we can have a better relationship.


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15 Oct 2019, 1:25 am

Gosh, I'm not talking about normal relationship ups and downs.

I'm talking about serious issues. Like my friend who was stuck with a controlling narcissists who cheated on her for the whole marriage. And that's not even just one friend. That's not real love.



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15 Oct 2019, 5:19 am

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Gosh, I'm not talking about normal relationship ups and downs.

I'm talking about serious issues. Like my friend who was stuck with a controlling narcissists who cheated on her for the whole marriage. And that's not even just one friend. That's not real love.

Why’d she date him? Why’d she marry him? Must been some good years for her to date and marry him. Not saying what he did later wasn’t bad. Does she now think all guys will do that? Does she rant about it? Sometimes I wonder if some people get too damaged to ever date again. I don’t mesn you friend as i dont know about her, but I’ve seen plenty of women rant about it on their dating profiles and social media even years after the relationship ended. It’s a big turn of to men. Most wont want to try going into a relationship where the woman’s already convicted and condemn them for something they haven’t done.

I just can’t believe anyone would get married unless the relationship was good. Old friend got married and divorced week later, the relationship was good until they lived together.
And i dont know what happen during that week but it was bad enough they got divorced after week living together while they’d dated for few years before getting married.

In past with arranged marriages I could see the relationship never having been good. Most people enjoy dating period and that’s why they get married, most marriages end in divorce.
I think people should live together for year before marrying maybe divorce rates would go down.
But we can disagree, I just feel you have a bit jaded view on the matter so ignore the good years and pretend they never happen. It’s rather black and white thinking to say well he became horrible later years so he must never have loved her. My bio dad probdid love my mom before he became a rapist, drug user, child abuser cheater. He is the type who shouldn’t have relationships, but he never has hard time getting any. He even gets teenage girls to be his gf.
World doesn’t make sense. I’m seen as a monster while a real monster is seen as attractive dating material.


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15 Oct 2019, 6:15 am

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Better to loved and lost then never loved at all.




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15 Oct 2019, 2:26 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Better to loved and lost then never loved at all.




Nostalgia! That's a clip from the Israeli film Eskimo Limon :lol:


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16 Oct 2019, 12:37 pm

hurtloam wrote:
Gosh, I'm not talking about normal relationship ups and downs.

I'm talking about serious issues. Like my friend who was stuck with a controlling narcissists who cheated on her for the whole marriage. And that's not even just one friend. That's not real love.


Precisely. God knows my wife and I have had ups and downs (mostly due to external forces) but I have never once had anything less than total love and respect for her (and I am sure she would say the same). I actually broke up with my Cluster B ex because someone pointed out that she doesn't know what real love is and if you have a genuine fear that your girlfriend could seriously harm or even kill you in a fit of rage, that's not love and nobody who loved would be capable of abuse, even if it was 'your fault'.

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I’ve seen plenty of women rant about it on their dating profiles and social media even years after the relationship ended. It’s a big turn of to men. Most wont want to try going into a relationship where the woman’s already convicted and condemn them for something they haven’t done.

Oh, isn't that the truth. I always steered clear of all the women who ranted and raved about how "awful" all their exes are and there are no decent guys left, at least until I ended up with the ex. She even WARNED in her dating profile that she has been burned by guys over and over again and had a very negative opinion of men and dating. What did I do? Instead of lacing up my running shoes I foolishly lined up to 'prove her wrong'! When I did dump her I started to date again and it was clear many women were interested in punishing me for the sins of others.