Physical attractiveness — a rant
I see a lot of talk in L&D regarding looks and personality, which granted are factors. However, I think that opportunity and location are often greatly overlooked in such conversations.
Opportunity meaning situations that could potentially lead to meeting someone. Frankly, I don't know how anyone meets someone as an adult!
It's a difficult balance because you have to work, but also schedule holidays and figure out when is the best time to use those days. Then you have to put yourself in situations where you interact with others.
Personally I think it's all too easy to get swept up in grind culture and forget to have a life outside of that. Some businesses even encourage such behaviour. Full on shaming people for not wanting to work overtime when the job is an 8 till 5. It's interesting how most people say a 9 till 5, but most jobs I see are 8 till 5 these days, at least where I am. Add on commute time and that leaves little room to meet people in the schedule.
Then, when you get those days, or even just the days you don't work (such as weekends, unless you work weekends) what do you do with the days? Where do you go to meet people? Clubs? Too loud. Difficult to communicate. So, where? And how do you schedule it regularly enough to form an emotional connection with someone?
This whole being an adult thing seem like a nightmare at times. Realistically I don't think I'm going to meet anyone until I can move out of this place. Still, even then, how do you balance work and life to the point where a romantic relationship is even possible? How are you all doing this? ![]()
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Exactly. ^
Plus, we're not supposed to date people from work, from volunteer places, or from our therapy groups, which is the only other place most of us manage to go on a regular basis (if at all). Cross out exes of friends, or people our friends like.
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Opportunity meaning situations that could potentially lead to meeting someone. Frankly, I don't know how anyone meets someone as an adult!
It's a difficult balance because you have to work, but also schedule holidays and figure out when is the best time to use those days. Then you have to put yourself in situations where you interact with others.
Personally I think it's all too easy to get swept up in grind culture and forget to have a life outside of that. Some businesses even encourage such behaviour. Full on shaming people for not wanting to work overtime when the job is an 8 till 5. It's interesting how most people say a 9 till 5, but most jobs I see are 8 till 5 these days, at least where I am. Add on commute time and that leaves little room to meet people in the schedule.
Then, when you get those days, or even just the days you don't work (such as weekends, unless you work weekends) what do you do with the days? Where do you go to meet people? Clubs? Too loud. Difficult to communicate. So, where? And how do you schedule it regularly enough to form an emotional connection with someone?
This whole being an adult thing seem like a nightmare at times. Realistically I don't think I'm going to meet anyone until I can move out of this place. Still, even then, how do you balance work and life to the point where a romantic relationship is even possible? How are you all doing this?
This deserves a thread on its own.
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Plus, we're not supposed to date people from work, from volunteer places, or from our therapy groups, which is the only other place most of us manage to go on a regular basis (if at all). Cross out exes of friends, or people our friends like.
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I always thought that not being pretty spared me a lot of trouble when I was young. I was less likely to get harassed or preyed on or approached by deceitful guys and so on. And at the same time I had two wonderful long-term relationships so there didn't seem to be a downside.
On the other hand, when I was between those relationships, I was involved in some groups so I knew a fair number of people, but almost no one was interested in me romantically. Again, it did make my life easier but also I wanted companionship! And I do now as well and feel like it's not going to happen.
Maybe if I had any knack for understanding make up and hair styling and fashion I could look more attractive, but those things seem completely alien to me.
Having tried this strategy, it doesn't really work in the long-term.
This strategy DOES work if there is otherwise a solid basis for a relationship. The reason I said this is that once I had a co-worker who had just graduated with her BA and I didn't find especially attractive. I thought she was too young, looked like a kid, but then she told her roommate she wanted a date with me and I discovered she was very into me physically, plus she got very aroused during intimacy and had a great deal of enthusiasm for physical affection. Soon I didn't much care what she looked like, in fact at one point I would probably have considered marrying her however she had misgivings about me as a life partner. My point is she was able to get my interest despite not being all that attractive. Plus men do this all the time. We are expected to learn how to get a woman turned on, if a man succeeds at that, the woman will likely come back for more. I agree that sex by itself won't sustain a relationship, but willingness and ability to satisfy a partner's needs is a big part of a successful relationship and can compensate when a couple isn't 100% compatible in other ways, which few couples are anyway.
Noted. Just figured I'd bring this up since it's all well and good, looking like Britney Spears or Ryan Gosling, but if you have no opportunity then you're going to struggle regardless of how physically attractive or not you are. I'll make a new thread where people can discuss this further.
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^^ It obviously doesn’t work longterm. It didn’t work in your own relationship and it didn’t work for FXE based on his lived experience. Sexual compatibility is important in a relationship but one partner shouldn’t feel like they need to compensate with sex in order for the other person to like them. That’s pretty messed up.
Even if the sex was great, I would NOT keep cumming back for more if I wasn’t otherwise into someone. Like most people, I can give myself amazing orgasms. I expect more from a relationship. Sex is only one small part of it.
Telling women that they can catch an otherwise disinterested/unattracted man’s fancy with sexual performance is an APPALLING thing to say. It’s some of the worst dating advice I’ve ever seen on WP. Great sex is nice, but a person should not feel like they need to go above and beyond to attract a partner. They should have enough self-respect to move on and find someone better who will appreciate them as they are.
Hopefully, both partners in a relationship strive to make sex mutually enjoyable. That’s just part of a normal, healthy, and loving relationship that includes sex.
I'm confused by this sentence. How did things go from you thinking she was too young and looked like a kid but then you're suddenly being intimate? Did you get to know her and like her before this intimacy? Did you just avail yourself of her, based on what she said to her roommate? How does that work exactly? I'm not trying to sound judgemental. Call me naive but I'm not sure how that works.
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I'm confused by this sentence. How did things go from you thinking she was too young and looked like a kid but then you're suddenly being intimate? Did you get to know her and like her before this intimacy? Did you just avail yourself of her, based on what she said to her roommate? How does that work exactly? I'm not trying to sound judgemental. Call me naive but I'm not sure how that works.
I don't have time for full answer. I went out with her a handful of times and there were some enthusiastic snogging sessions initiated by her, then she dated somebody else for about a year, then early in the year following that, she called me and expressed an interest in dating, which we did for about 6 months. This was around the time of her 24th birthday. I think 24-year-olds are old enough to know what they want. She broke up with me mostly because she didn't think I was fun enough to be around. Although a year later she asked me to meet up, and hinted she might be interested in some "action", but I didn't take the bait. Shortly after I met my wife. I had also had a brief and stormy relationship earlier that year with somebody who probably had BPD so I hadn't gone without sex for very long at that point.
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Even if the sex was great, I would NOT keep cumming back for more if I wasn’t otherwise into someone. Like most people, I can give myself amazing orgasms. I expect more from a relationship. Sex is only one small part of it.
Telling women that they can catch an otherwise disinterested/unattracted man’s fancy with sexual performance is an APPALLING thing to say. It’s some of the worst dating advice I’ve ever seen on WP. Great sex is nice, but a person should not feel like they need to go above and beyond to attract a partner. They should have enough self-respect to move on and find someone better who will appreciate them as they are.
Hopefully, both partners in a relationship strive to make sex mutually enjoyable. That’s just part of a normal, healthy, and loving relationship that includes sex.
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People can have any kind of relationship they want to as long as it’s legal. I just think that this is awful advice for women and would not work for most people who are genuinely looking for relationships. It would be harmful more often than not.
I’ve not seen any evidence that it does work unless the relationship is purely about sex. Discussions about those situations would make more sense in the adult section.
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And maybe they would end up doing it wrong too.
