The secret of the jerk by Pook (Long!)

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It's because you're not serious about learning the signs and what you are projecting, if you're serious about changing I will direct you to the right resources. Most people say they want a better life, but you have to imagine in your minds eye, a woman or significant other LOOKING at you, see through their eyes and ask the question, (as if you were them) would I want to hang around, live with, or marry this person?

That's what most aspies never do because they are too egocentric, arrogant, and lost to listen to anybody... they don't want to hear the truth so they run and hide or make elaborate backwards ratiaonlizations. The truth is aspies can learn they just have to be

1) Dedicated and
2) Read the right stuff and watch the right videos, there's lots of businesses out there now to help people become better socializers and daters.

What a load of pseudoscientific poppycock!

Damn right. And remember, Pook (the name of the author who wrote the testosterone article) is a Russian word for "fart".

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Amen.



The truth that explains all this is : Evolution .

Humans are primates and primates follow the Alpha Male system in mating like gorillas , which it means that all females of the 'tribe' mate with a ONE male who has highest level of testosterone (the alpha) . The alpha male is always the strongest and the most aggressive (not a nice male at all = jerk) of all the other males in the tribe.

In the human world , the artificial standard of 1 man 1 wife ( marriage) was invented by religion and civilization (for many reasons) and this standards obliged MANY female humans to mate with beta and gamma males (since the number of alpha males in the world are much less than females) specially in the generation of our grandparents where marriages were mostly ARRANGED by parent .
The marriage unnatural system obliged also the alpha males to limit the number of their mating to one ( of course a lot of alpha men cheat tho ...in fact usually cheaters are the most masculine attractive men) .

Biologically speaking , this artificiality standard is BAD for evolution . In nature , all the alpha males (in primates case) must be the seeders since they have the best genes . Allowing beta and gamma males to be seeders means allowing their less-quality genes to be transmitted to the next generations instead of the alpha'better genes ...so there's a loss of opportunity here and in the long run this has a major negative effect on the genes pool.....this increase the unhealthy genes in the genetic pool and also the number of p**** guys.


Today , the sexual life is more liberated and there's no more arranged marriages by parents ....at least in the west . So females are the ones who are going to pick their mates .....and they are gonna follow their instincts ....their primate' instincts . Yet the marriage standard and the new 'values' are limiting both the fertile females and alpha males.

So... what you are trying to say... is that humans are JUST LIKE gorillas?
Hmm.

Damned straight.


We are talking orgasm here,
right?

Run away from the truth. The truth, scientific truth, is what I am all about. I assume this is the case for most other aspires.

As far as being, arrogant and eccentric I can turnthat off to a certain extent. The is a double edged sword concerning not being arrogant, an aspie comes over as a nice guy.

I agree with almost all of what Pook has to say. The only problem might be the effects of extra testosterone on aspie might be different then a nice guy.

As Pook said many of these dating guides can be all too much micro management, and too much things that someone has get right. While a Jerk does it naturally.
Dating guides however might be useful where preparation is important. Choosing the right places to date, clothes to wear etc.

I know a girl that doesn't fit into the 'most women' group...

The "alpha male" is a part of the Reptilian complex, something that has been around since the age of the dinosaurs, and possibly much earlier. If humans were ruled on the basis of who was physically strongest, or by testosterone levels, the NFL would probably be the world government (or at least a national government).


I do agree that the arranged marriage system is flawed and unnatural, but not for the same reasons. No human should have personal decisions such as marriage forced upon them (this has nothing to do with my scientific views, but instead my individualist philosophy.)


It's bad from the standpoint of physical strength/constitution and what not. Not so for a sapient species that is supposedly more evolved than their simian cousins. Many "beta" and "gamma" males, as you state them, are forced to use other methods than physical strength if they are to survive. Therefore, there are also many advantageous


The point I'm trying to make is that reverting to primate (or earlier) instincts runs counter to the concept of evolution, where we should be trying to become improved over earlier primates. Many species of animals on earth became extinct over the eons to events beyond their control. Thanks to human intelligence, we can eventually learn to survive an extinction level event as a species where many of your "alpha male" societies will merely die out without significant outside intervention.

Since the evolution of the modern human, humanity has been a species with an identity crisis: Lower functional instincts are still holding sway over humanity, especially prevalent in "alpha male"-style populations of humans in certain locations. On the contrary, higher brain functions such as sapience and intelligence have given humans an advantage that no species can match, and this is how humans have dominated the planet. Humanity has started to supercede the "alpha male" system with a system of rational thought, but this process is still ongoing, and will take some evolutionary time to complete. That is, if the "alpha male" system doesn't attempt to fight back so hard that humans end up destroying themselves or regressing back to non-sapience. Intelligence gives us the ability to create technology to aid us, which may eventually include cybernetic enhancements that will provide humanity a way to fully transcend this "alpha male" system and truly become our own masters, no longer submitting to the will of nature (ironic, given that the "alpha male" system is supposedly based on dominance)...

The groilla model is completely wrong for humans anyway, gorillas branched off from the common genetic stock around 8 million years ago. We, the chimpanzees, and bonobos, continued on as a single entity for another 3 million years or so. If humans had followed the gorilla model (harems) rather than remained with the common genetic line (promiscuous), then men would typically be 1.5 feet taller than women, and weigh twice as much. Men would also have tiny genitals, and would lack other reproductive features which we, in fact, have (in common with chimpanzees). If we were like gorillas, 7 foot tall, 300-pound guys would each have several wives (not girlfriends, gorilla infidelity, by either sex, is rare) who would be physically guarded like property, and mating attempts by other males would consist mainly of trying to beat one of those guys up and steal their harem. It's absurd to pretend that we are descended from gorillas; we aren't. They evolved their sexual system *after* they split off from the common genetic stock.

The whole basis for this Nietzschean "How to get laid" rant is not biology, but urban legend. It's bogus.

Oh.

Well guess what, times change, you got a brain, so use it. YOU are responsible for your life and how it turns out right? There are plenty of resources available, just message contact me and I'll send them to you. If you're not serious about improving yourself then don't bother.

Why are you so antagonistic.

And I thought I was following your advice... I was turning off my brain... like you said.

You really are sounding like a pusher of products here. This whole topic, in addition to others, sounds like an infomercial...

Just hire Billy Mayes and be done with it...

Finally, someone brought up a very good point: we humans are capable of using our higher intelligence to both overcome our base instincts and work with them. As far as the "alpha/beta/gamma" thing is concerned, I'm probably screwed big time, with repulsive face, lack of big muscles, and a non-alpha personality. In nature, I'd probably be tossed into the bushes and abandoned, and no woman in her right mind wouldn't go near me. It's still true to some extent; the only girls I ever dated were overweight, unattractive ones that alpha males won't even bother approaching. So by deliberately lowering my standards to nearly rock bottom, I'm using my intelligence (lowering standards) to fulfill my base instincts (finding a woman).

Alpha males are not alway the good genes, if it was society would be very primitive. And as far as Alpha males go, I am bigger and stronger then your average alpha male. If a alpha male comes bout him bad, I will persecute his ass, which he will not see because he will be looking the other way.