why do guys (NT) want girls to be pretty?

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06 Nov 2007, 7:42 am

I don't know about this... but here's a thought... some girls who others think are "pretty", I could think are fugly... lulz, Paris Hilton, for example... pretty to me, isn't always pretty to everyone else, and vice versa. A lot of it, I think comes down to your own definition of pretty. I mean it's like, some people I know are attractive, but they're just not attractive to me.



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06 Nov 2007, 10:25 am

That's true looks are actually really quite important to guys... I'm sorry we're such a shallow gender. :P

Although I certainly ain't really shallow. I don't really know I ain't lived long enough to know what really draws me in.


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06 Nov 2007, 11:03 am

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Guys are just fussy. No guy would date me 'cause I'm unatractive.

If that's a picture of you on your avatar, you're fine. The only thing I would advise is not plucking off the ends of your eyebrows because it is obvious that they're missing.


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06 Nov 2007, 12:38 pm

Looks matter to everyone. If anyone says they don't, they're lying. The people who aren't "shallow" are just less picky about looks, but they still care about them.



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06 Nov 2007, 1:02 pm

Pandora wrote:
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Guys are just fussy. No guy would date me 'cause I'm unatractive.

If that's a picture of you on your avatar, you're fine. The only thing I would advise is not plucking off the ends of your eyebrows because it is obvious that they're missing.


She looks perfectly fine to me--I didn't notice anything about the eyebrows.



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06 Nov 2007, 1:44 pm

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Pandora wrote:
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Guys are just fussy. No guy would date me 'cause I'm unattractive.

If that's a picture of you on your avatar, you're fine. The only thing I would advise is not plucking off the ends of your eyebrows because it is obvious that they're missing.


She looks perfectly fine to me--I didn't notice anything about the eyebrows.


I'll chime in on this one, too. Berserker, our avatar is very definitely attractive. At the very least, it's a well-done photo of whoever. Eyebrow alteration isn't generally something I would notice, either, mostly because I don't pay that much attention to my own small, cosmetic details.

On the topic, though, I will comment that for me physical attraction has almost never been a matter of consciously evaluating the merits of a particular potential mate. Far more often, physical attraction has felt more like a metaphorical fist to the gut, or kind of like something being turned on by a switch. If the conscious mind is involved at all, it was probably watching from the sidelines in confusion, and that's if I questioned at all what was happening. As I've aged, I've done a lot more questioning. I long ago stopped trusting physical attractions, especially overpowering ones.


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06 Nov 2007, 6:50 pm

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I’m convinced that as long as any female is willing, men will sleep with them regardless of what they look like. Everyone looks good at 2 am when you're desperate. To get a man to stay with you, you have to be good looking.


Not true of all men....

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Pandora wrote:
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Guys are just fussy. No guy would date me 'cause I'm unatractive.

If that's a picture of you on your avatar, you're fine. The only thing I would advise is not plucking off the ends of your eyebrows because it is obvious that they're missing.


She looks perfectly fine to me--I didn't notice anything about the eyebrows.


Guys, her avatar is of Milla Jovitch in "Resident Evil: Extinction"...

But it does bring up a good point. I've talked to a lot of aspie girls who tend to think that they're a LOT less attractive than they actually are. I've seen pictures of some fairly pretty girls from this site who think tha they're repulsive. Also at least ten pounds heavier than they actually are. XD So go figure.



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07 Nov 2007, 8:44 am

The ladies do seem to be under a lot of pressure to be pretty, and the pressure isn't exclusively from men.

If you look at any woman's magazine, they have pictures of pretty girls. And, if you look at men's magazines, they also contain pictures of pretty girls.

Women seem to spend insane amounts of money on makeup, jewelry, fashion accessories, stylish clothing, etc.

Is it really all for the benefit of men? Or are they primarily aimed at achieving or maintaining a particular status within their own gender? Or within their own minds?

I don't think that it is all necessary, or should be necessary, in finding a mate.

Women's magazines, too, include all sorts of sex tips: exciting new positions, how to turn on your man, how to make your husband lose biological control in the driveway. Really, it isn't at all complicated--all that you have to do is get naked beside him.



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07 Nov 2007, 9:56 am

I dress for myself, and not for other people. If I look like Sid, instead of Flower Child Barbie, than that reflects who I am. I just happen to be a big, healthy tomboy who likes spiked hair and tapered jeans. I have no problem with my weight or appearance. The other women can do whatever they want. I'm not the one starving myself, skimping on my milk and dressing in a tasteless manner.

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07 Nov 2007, 7:18 pm

iddqd wrote:
I don't know about this... but here's a thought... some girls who others think are "pretty", I could think are fugly... lulz, Paris Hilton, for example... pretty to me, isn't always pretty to everyone else, and vice versa. A lot of it, I think comes down to your own definition of pretty. I mean it's like, some people I know are attractive, but they're just not attractive to me.


crucial point. actually, i don't think Paris Hilton is anything special. I've met many girls that I find more attractive than her. I think women tend to forget that we don't all like the same things, or that, because I find a certain woman attractive, that doesn't mean I only find similar women attractive.

I once met an NT guy who said that he would prefer an average-looking wife to a beautiful one because then there wouldn't be so many men hitting on her (though I also know an unattractive woman, married with 2 kids, who has a very persistent suitor). I suspect many NTs think 'if I were rich, I'd go for a trophy wife, but I prefer one less fancy if I'm not rich, because then it's hopefully more reliable.' In my case, beautiful women put me off a bit because, as a general rule (obviously, there are exceptions), beautiful women tend not to have great personalities, apart from them being beyond my league.



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04 Dec 2007, 4:49 pm

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Looks are the very first thing a person gets measured on(...)
If someone looks hot, sexy, nice and so on, people will likely seek more contact with that person or be around that person.


Agreed entirely. I naturally gravitate to good looking people. The better looking they are, the more I'll hang around with them. I actively seek out attractive, intelligent people in a crowd. Even on social networking sites, when I browse for potential friends, I skim through the presented pictures and click on the best looking person I can find. You'll find that I only ever associate with good looking, intelligent individuals, tortured geniuses and those that fit into cliques because I need a feel a part of something, to find tranquility and a sense of community with like-minded individuals.

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So the ugly people may never reproduce unless they find other ugly people or have a lot of money.

If, like me, you happen to possess a valuable Irish-Italian heritage you aren't going to waste your precious genes on any old partner. You're naturally going to seek one of equal good fortune, it's only natural.

Does this make me a eugenicist? Perhaps it does, it's just my preference.
Errm, is it just me, or does it seem like this type of thinking is destined for failure as looks rarely last past a certain age in life; everything changes. So in 20-25 years, only associating with goodlooking people with come back to stab you in the face. I'm not here to try to to force you to do this, but this type of thinking I would deem typical of a person who is young, and not a person who is all that experienced with life and the human race and is full of low self confidence and worth, no offense. If you have to only know hot people, only associate with them, to feel good about yourself and to feel valuable, then something is wrong and the whole situation just radiates insecurity. Most people dont like it when you're only friends with them because they look good, by the way.I used to be obsessed with tortured geniuses. it gets old as usually they think so highly of themselves, that they possess so much wit and insight that they barely know when they are wrong, arrogant and just down right unpleasant. Plus, many have the inability to see past their own agenda and become legend in their own mind, making it impossible to connect or feel anything towards them except distance.

I think if eugneics were to ever take hold, all the earth would have left would be a population of pompous a***holes whom nobody wants to be around after sex because all they'd be searching for is the perfect so and so instead of knowing and liking themselves...not very tantalizing.

I've never met a truly intelligent and "attractive" person who believes such things, especially as they age and grow wiser.



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05 Dec 2007, 6:12 am

My thoughts on the whole thing are that first off looks matter to EVERYBODY.

Second off what person A may find attractive person B may be repulsed by. So Although looks and what makes people attractive is important to everyone when choosing a mate on some level, what exactly that may be is different from person to person. Because of culture and other such things we can anticipate SOME aspects of what alot of people are going to find beautiful but thats not a rule. I for instance find beauty in many things and forms, as do many others, some people only find beauty in forms others dismiss as ugly but in the end I think EVERYONE can find someone who finds them attractive and in my experience almost everyone with a little bit of polish is a verry attractive person despite whatever image problems they may have or what society may say and people react to it so you know its true.



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05 Dec 2007, 8:31 am

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What is considered sexually attractive, or "hot", does vary from country to country.

In Tonga, in the South Pacific, the guys really like fat women. "Fo'i Gnako", which means a round ball of fat, is considered a compliment when directed at a woman. They really don't like thin women.
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Fatter girls do have evolutionary advantages in times of famine. So I come to the conclusion that richer men, with more resources prefer slimmer woman.

Generally man like shorter woman because they eat less and consume less resources. I assume that richer men prefer taller woman, as I have noticed that upper class woman are much more taller then lower class.



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05 Dec 2007, 10:16 am

define pretty



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05 Dec 2007, 11:32 am

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Exactly!


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05 Dec 2007, 5:12 pm

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The Pretty Face
Toward Standard Attractiveness

Bodywise the definition is more fluid. Somebody has already pointed out that in some cultures a fuller/fatter (not meaning obesidas) body is regarded as more attractive than a slim one. It's also subject to media and personal taste of course.


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