Can shyness/quietness ever be attractive to females?

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31 Dec 2007, 3:36 am

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What my intuition says is that you like your conversations one-sided and are entirely uninterested in my individuality. It doesn't look like it would be productive to continue responding to your claims in detail when they contradict what I know and you refuse to substantiate them.

Do you understand that you're essentially telling people that your own perception trumps all of our life experiences combined, on the basis of "because I say so"? Aspies tend to be picky about what information they'll swallow. The justifications you've supplied aren't meeting my standards.


I backed my claims by suggesting you look around yourself. Use the mindset of what I've said, and actually stop and do a slow 360. Remember back when you went out with the men whom hurt you, the reasons you did so, and then think about other women you know that did the same things. And no, I'm not saying the hurtful men were the right men for you; but something about them was attractive, that wasn't a choice on your part. On the flipside of the coin, gwenevyn, you haven't substantiated your claims well. I remain... unmoved. Show me validity to your argument of not wanting/needing an Alpha Male.


You're just going to have to cope with being wrong about me. Until you recognize that you don't have superior insight into the minds of others, it will continue to be impossible for us to engage in quality communication.


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31 Dec 2007, 3:56 am

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Until you recognize that you don't have superior insight into the minds of others, it will continue to be impossible for us to engage in quality communication.
That's the beauty of delusional behavior, quality communication for the individual in question could be just about anything. They can always make it work. :lol:



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31 Dec 2007, 4:21 am

Wouldn't believing that one knows with no uncertainty how the rest of humanity "operates," and why, normally be considered pretty delusional? :?



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31 Dec 2007, 4:38 am

I think that's what he was saying... though it wasn't immediately clear to me, either.

At any rate, it's interesting to see differing opinions. In the end we're all on our own and have to decide what advice we'll heed, if any. It seems to me that this can be especially confusing for aspie guys, as there is so much conflicting information about how they "ought" to behave.


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31 Dec 2007, 4:39 am

There are preferences for everything...
including the classic "shy guy."



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31 Dec 2007, 5:32 am

shadexiii wrote:
Wouldn't believing that one knows with no uncertainty how the rest of humanity "operates," and why, normally be considered pretty delusional? :?
It wouldn't be if the individual in question were delusional. ;)



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31 Dec 2007, 5:45 am

I love it when the males want us to post in these threads to tell them what we like and then disregard our opinions, tell us we're wrong, and explain how we REALLY feel. That's quite funny to me.

We are only trying to offer some type of insight, which I assume you desire from the sheer number of threads I see about not understanding women.



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31 Dec 2007, 5:50 am

Was it plural in this thread? For the record, I'm not associated with said poster.



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31 Dec 2007, 6:11 am

the less you say, the more they listen



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31 Dec 2007, 6:12 am

I think if I read one more thing about Alpha Males I'm going to be done with the Love and Dating forum for good...

There's more to love and life than this one term.... as if the whole complexities of the human race can be summed up in this one cliché ridden sound byte.

One thing that bugs me about the whole alpha male business is just the sheer numbers of it. Alpha implies that there is only one, one supreme male that gets to mate. Well if we look at people, look at how many actually do mate... a pretty large group.

Not all are alpha males, it goes against the definition of it. So just what is going on here?

As to the original question, I am sure quietness can be attractive. Shyness tends to have negative connotations... an inability to do something when you otherwise would like to. It maybe considered cute or something, but in the end men have to approach women... so extreme shyness, an inability to even speak, I can't see that being too attractive.

But a little shyness, sure why not. There is no accounting for taste.


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31 Dec 2007, 8:31 am

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I keep reading posts here about how guys need to be loud, cocky, boistrous, and constantly making jokes. However, aren't there girls out there who would like a quieter guy? I feel like many posts here seem to assume that all females want the same type of guy, which I find absurd. There is as much variation in what women want in men as in the reverse, isn't there? Also, I thought that people liked other people who carry a bit of themselves. Therefore, wouldn't a quiet and introspective lady want a man with those same characteristics? I am defintely a bit subdued in my noise level and I would ideally want a quiet girl myself.

I feel like this leads to a greater question: How much different is that which a female wants in male from that which a male wants in a female? Don't we all want mates who are simultaneously good-looking, sharing in our interests, relateable, affectionate, trustworthy, kind, and fun, indepedent of whether we are males, females, or hermaphrodites?


You are questioning what you know, because you are percieving the louder signal and the rah rah of amplified egotistical propaganda bs of 'what a girl wants'. It's all part of the democratic process. You could likely trace any rumour of 'what a girl wants' to a businessmans pocket.
Maybeliene and Heffener (ok I havent got anything against tasteful art) and all their fans and inspired entrepenuers HAVE GOT TO GET THE PROFIT. Uncle Sam HAS GOT TO GET HIS BABIES. We not breeding for intelligence. We are breeding for WAR. We've made it impossible for males to get laid legally-and this is the response.



What is attractive and what is effective are 2 different things. There are loud and boisterous quiet souled people. There are shy and quiet world haters. There are also shy and quiet Alphas.
And loud and boisterous wimps.

Listen to your quiet voice.
Women may find what you said about characteristics to be true. The loud ego ridden, or whatever you said. Or there may just be a not even larger group of females who are themselves LOUDER than the shy or quiet or non amused others that fit under the corral term Women.


Loud and Boisterous and Interested in me, is the first tip off that a guy's 1. a wimp 2. Acting subversively 3. Trying to get a score 4. LYING.

My rationale is that 1. I don't like people who draw attention to themselves on purpose. 2. I've no time for someone who can not manage me/can manage me less than I can manage myself 3. I consider sex sacred and do not pursue it flippantly 4. Honesty is integrity

I knew met a couple of loud boisterous types who were absolutely adorable, strong (internal), honest, honorable. I was thrilled they were a part of the world community; Where there is 1....there is 2..ect. I don't think he got his lady by Rah Rah Poooooon!

Anyways.


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31 Dec 2007, 8:35 am

I would hope that some females would find it attractive, if the guy in question would be perfect for her.

I, personally, am less shy and quiet as I used to be, but I am nowhere near being an alpha male.

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31 Dec 2007, 11:51 am

I prefer shy/introverted people with similar interests and beliefs.

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31 Dec 2007, 1:16 pm

I do not find "cocky" or "boisterous" guys attractive. The one guy I've had a big crush on was both shy and quiet. I've never heard the term "alpha male" bandied about so much(except in regards to wolves) until I joined WP, but so far an alpha male does not sound like anyone I would want to have a relationship with.


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I love it when the males want us to post in these threads to tell them what we like and then disregard our opinions, tell us we're wrong, and explain how we REALLY feel. That's quite funny to me.

We are only trying to offer some type of insight, which I assume you desire from the sheer number of threads I see about not understanding women.

Thank you. This does happen often and it is starting to get annoying.



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31 Dec 2007, 1:51 pm

You had chances to defend your viewpoint, gwenevyn. I wanted you to do that aforementioned slow 360 and get back to me; but you weren't even willing to do that. Oh well. I believe what I believe.



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31 Dec 2007, 1:56 pm

Dracula wrote:
Oh well. I believe what I believe.


That's fine. I believe you believe it. Just don't tell me what I believe. I don't have to defend my personal desires and experiences. I am the empirical source.


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