why have I never had a boyfriend?

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26 Apr 2008, 5:58 pm

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Serious replies only, please. I don't always get jokes...they sort of fly by me. Should I just pretend to laugh when the guy tells a joke? Again, respectful advice please. This is all getting rather old, and so am I. Thanks, J


I am always serious, so... :D

But I do think this humor-thing is your main problem. Excuse me for saying so, but your description of yourself was also rather humorless. Ofcourse it's great being a straight A student at an Ivy etcetera etcetera. It's just not very relevant to the problem you are adressing. I'd be more interested (hypothetically, since I am in a relationship and another country) if you told us about your field of studies, that you've done pretty well and if you enjoyed them, that would be more interesting. The same goes for the marathons. While I love running and respect marathonrunners a lot I am still more interested in how much you like running and what makes you do it. The same goes for most other things you say about yourself.

Based on this you come across as being very serious and maybe more than average interested in achievements. While being a succesful women as such might already be a little disturbing to a lot of men (not me btw), being one that is so proud of achievement will make it worse.

My best advice for you will be to lighten up as much as you can. And maybe do laugh at jokes that might be a little lame. First because that is a great way to make a man feel better. Second because joking is also a very social thing. Nobody expects the jokes they just blurt out to be on par with Monty Python in its best days, but a lot of people like to have some fun. I can't imagine someone with absolutely no sense of humor, you just have to find yours. For a lot of aspies word-jokes or visual jokes are great, but to you it can be something else. Just never forget you can always laugh at a joke first and only then realise you did not get it. It's not so bad, it really isn't...



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26 Apr 2008, 6:03 pm

I think its just life, just keep putting yourself out there, you'll find somebody



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26 Apr 2008, 8:02 pm

Id go out with you even though im not your age. I have the same problem with girls. Girls say im too nice and serious to go out with and i have a weird personality that turns most girls off. We should chat on aim if you have it. I like talking to people online. add carl35017.



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26 Apr 2008, 11:44 pm

/hits on the OP

But 4rly, try dating more! The more men you can evaluate, and vice versa, the greater your odds of finding someone. Unless of course something about your selection process tends to men who don't consider you dating material. But even then, the odds are in your favor if you date more.



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26 Apr 2008, 11:52 pm

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BTW, learn to fart!


Yeah, don't. It's really not attractive.



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27 Apr 2008, 1:15 pm

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I agree with LePetitPrince only in that I don't think looking for Aspie men will help, and I don't think your Aspergers is at fault, but I disagree with the rest of what he says.

Men like to feel useful and play the strong protector, they are scared of strong women. Very few of them are attracted to women who don't need looking after. This is why psycho needy girls with low self esteem find it easy to get boyfriends. I have quizzed a male NT friend at length about why he has ended many of the relationships he has had, and he says that when the girls became more emotionally mature and no longer needed him, he felt restless and no longer as attracted to them. I suspect 2 of my relationships with males ended for similar reasons.

I don't see any reason why Aspie men would fail to feel this. Perhaps they would sometimes fit better with Aspie women, because they understand the girl's problems better and feel useful in that respect, but my guess is that there is the same minority of guys who like a strong, high-achieving woman among Aspie and NT men.

You are certainly not too old, you sound very attractive, and there are more single people in their 30s and 40s than ever before because of all the divorces - I definitely think you should not give up. I don't have any suggestions that I am sure would work. You could try thinking of how a boyfriend could help/protect you, and make that part of you more salient when you meet new men - but I don't really like that suggestion as it involves changing to get a man and that often leads to a short, unsatisfying relationship.
Perhaps you should look to meet men in other places, perhaps online.
Good luck - I think it really is a matter of luck.

(PS, it is a pity that you only like men, I think a lot of gay women would be very attracted to you - oh well, there is no changing such things.)


Along the right lines I think, but with older men I think it'd be more about them wanting to be the main bread-winner and/or the most intelligent. If 'your my equal, not screwing/marage material' bit is a genuine quote then I'd say it's definately that as they want someone below them, not equal!

What you need is a man unconcerned with these things, maybe someone who's interests lie away from these things.
I'm no expert, I've never had a girlfriend but I struggle getting things going to begin with (which you don't seem to struggle with) so hopefully it'll be usefull!



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28 Apr 2008, 10:51 pm

From what I get from your post is that you sound intimidating to the guys you've met. I know I get intimdated and/or turned off by strong and independant women.

Like others have said, a lot of men like the "bird with a broken wing" kind of women...I know I do. For me, I would like to feel equal to or slightly above a woman...not at their feet, ready to get trampled on.

Also, women in general have a lot easier time getting dates than men do. So if you have a decent figure, pretty face, or great personality, you should have no problem getting a guy.



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28 Apr 2008, 11:50 pm

Hi there!

Its not your intelligence, its not your physical appearance, its not how much money you earn, its not whether you "need a man".

Its simply (and bluntly) put - the fact that you're desperate.

Unfortunately, in most walks of life and in most countries of the world, love is a game. It never goes the way you want, and you have to play it like you're a world class poker player. I'm not saying screw with the guy's head, but in your case a measure of restraint would be the ticket.

It's not about laughing at their jokes or pretending to be something you're not, its about creating interest beyond a platonic relationship, and teasing that interest into something more. The first part of the game is physical attraction - without it you're only ever going to be a friend. Don't dress slu*ty, but read the fashion magazines and take pride in yourself, show off your curves and feel comfortable in your skin.

The next part is where it really matters: Go out, be who you want to be, do what you want to do. Go to places where people with similar interests as you go to have fun, go in a situation where you can meet people, talk and most of all, have fun doing what you want to do.
Don't concentrate or even think about whether you will meet someone and fall in love, focus on yourself and having fun. If you meet someone and you like them, GREAT! onto the next step.
If not, who cares, you had fun!

Now, you get to know the person (to an extent). Its about talking about whatever you want to talk about, and listening to the other person talk about whatever they want to talk about, and enjoying it. If you're not enjoying it, move on, change the subject, whatever. If there's no chemistry, let it go, be mature enough to recognise that its not what you want, even if they may want you.
It's about talking about yourself, and listening to them do the same. About sharing funny and entertaining stories and most of all BEING YOURSELF!! !
You don't need to get all physical on them, but you can look online for possible body language cues (as we aren't able to do them instinctively) that suggest you are interested (if you are).
If you're confident that you are interested, and think he might be too, and you have made the signs, its time to let the man make the moves.

If he doesn't, then it's not your fault. Let it go, but don't suggest you had a bad time, maintain that interest, but prepare to let go if he doesn't reciprocate that interest.

You are a woman after all, and you deserve to be chased, so let it happen. If it doesn't, then he is either more nervous than you are, or he isn't interested. If he is nervous about making a move he still should reflect the interest that you share. In that case you don't come clean and tell him you like him, just be more obvious with your cues and suggestions. But keep it duplicitous, there needs to be that element of doubt to draw them in, and also give you a chance to move on if they aren't interested in following through.

Anyways, that's as good as I can give at the moment. Good luck, and most importantly HAVE FUN and forget about WHY WHY WHY, and just do what you want to do. You never find love, love finds you!



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29 Apr 2008, 12:05 am

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I would like to be told in clear, uncondescending, unemotional language why I cannot get asked on a simple date. I actually believe this is an answerable question.

I am 5'4" and my weight varies between 115 and 120 pounds. I have voluptuous amounts of curly reddish brown hair which is natural. I own my own business, am financially secure, was a straight A student at an Ivy League school and grad school. I do not smoke and have no previous or current drug habits. I drink occasionally. I am politically moderate to right. I keep up on current events. I am a former ballerina. I like movies and read a lot of books. I have run 7 marathons successfully.
Lastly, I am considered very nice looking and have good taste in clothes. I don't swear or tic.

Is the reason I can't get a date my aspergers? If so, should I just give up? I'm pretty much considering this. I just turned 40 and today, buying a bottle of wine to bring for a (male, of course) friend's birthday, was asked for MY ID. I apparently pass for under 21 or near it. The woman who asked for my ID's mouth dropped open (WIDE) when she saw 1968 on my license.

I ask men out. They become my buddies. Forever. I ask why - they say, you aren't vulnerable,psycho, needy, you don't get drunk and fart, you don't have bad breath or bo, I never know when you have your period - you are so rock steady! (quote) If I want a girlfriend, she must be needy and serve me, but you are my equal, you aren't for screwing n' marrying!

By such descriptions girlfriends/wives aren't me. They sound rather pathetic...and odorous too.

Advice? What does an "aspergers person" do if she wants a date? I like men only...Why do all of these gold digger chicks get dates? Their aims are not good, I know.

Serious replies only, please. I don't always get jokes...they sort of fly by me. Should I just pretend to laugh when the guy tells a joke? Again, respectful advice please. This is all getting rather old, and so am I. Thanks, J


Well, I'd ask you out, but you're probably too young for me, (from your point of view, not mine), but darn, I'm married.

You sound like a lovely woman. Don't pretend anything, stop looking at gold digger chicks, they usually wind up miserable, I've never heard anything like what you say men tell you, or maybe I know a different class of men. But stay out there, don't get down about it, and remember (seriously) you gotta kiss a lotta frogs before you find a Prince!

A whole bunch of luck

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29 Apr 2008, 1:42 am

the social culture here where i live, men are so lucky they can get dates left or right, i'm 33 and very terrified of being close to a guy. i don't know whether it's the AS or just me feeling this vulnerable when it comes to dating. chatting and online thing i don't have a problem. :(



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29 Apr 2008, 5:46 am

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the social culture here where i live, men are so lucky they can get dates left or right, i'm 33 and very terrified of being close to a guy. i don't know whether it's the AS or just me feeling this vulnerable when it comes to dating. chatting and online thing i don't have a problem. :(


What ae you afraid of? Is it a fear of abuse (or at least that they want more than you) or is it fear of how to handle yourself?



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29 Apr 2008, 11:16 am

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men are so lucky they can get dates left or right.:(


Where the hell do you live?



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29 Apr 2008, 11:42 am

There are so many variables that go into this, I don't even know where to start. First of all, you sound great from reading your post but my experience has been that:

1. people tend to "lie" about themselves on internet forums, or certainly leave out crucial details that could swing things the other way;
2. the way people project themselves online is not the way people project themselves in real life;

Let me explore #2 above. When I read your post, it gives me some mental image of how you may be in real life. But this is not real. It's just my imagination trying to fill in the gaps and piece together the puzzle of your persona. If I met you in person on a dinner date, for example, I may notice some things here and there about you that even YOU may not realize about yourself. For example, the way you interrupt me when I was talking about my great African expedition. Or the way you order food at a restaurant. Or the way you laugh. Or the way you conduct yourself with the waitress. All these little things matter in the mating ritual. Once, I had a first date with a very attractive woman. But during dinner, she had a way of looking off into the distance past my left ear lobe that, for some reason, disturbed the bejeezus out of me.

It's the little things that matter. You can't resolve this issue on an online forum.



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29 Apr 2008, 12:07 pm

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justy7cc wrote:
I would like to be told in clear, uncondescending, unemotional language why I cannot get asked on a simple date. I actually believe this is an answerable question.

I am 5'4" and my weight varies between 115 and 120 pounds. I have voluptuous amounts of curly reddish brown hair which is natural. I own my own business, am financially secure, was a straight A student at an Ivy League school and grad school. I do not smoke and have no previous or current drug habits. I drink occasionally. I am politically moderate to right. I keep up on current events. I am a former ballerina. I like movies and read a lot of books. I have run 7 marathons successfully.
Lastly, I am considered very nice looking and have good taste in clothes. I don't swear or tic.

Is the reason I can't get a date my aspergers? If so, should I just give up? I'm pretty much considering this. I just turned 40 and today, buying a bottle of wine to bring for a (male, of course) friend's birthday, was asked for MY ID. I apparently pass for under 21 or near it. The woman who asked for my ID's mouth dropped open (WIDE) when she saw 1968 on my license.

I ask men out. They become my buddies. Forever. I ask why - they say, you aren't vulnerable,psycho, needy, you don't get drunk and fart, you don't have bad breath or bo, I never know when you have your period - you are so rock steady! (quote) If I want a girlfriend, she must be needy and serve me, but you are my equal, you aren't for screwing n' marrying!

By such descriptions girlfriends/wives aren't me. They sound rather pathetic...and odorous too.

Advice? What does an "aspergers person" do if she wants a date? I like men only...Why do all of these gold digger chicks get dates? Their aims are not good, I know.

Serious replies only, please. I don't always get jokes...they sort of fly by me. Should I just pretend to laugh when the guy tells a joke? Again, respectful advice please. This is all getting rather old, and so am I. Thanks, J
I'd go out with you, if you were closer to my age.


me too; you sound nice :) things will turn out alright; you just have to find the right someone.


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01 May 2008, 11:25 am

It's impossible to know why without knowing more about your personality. I can't help but notice you list a lot of facts about yourself, but next to nothing about your personality. What are you actually like to be with? Of course this is a very Aspie thing, but your partner would not be living with your achievements, he'd be living with your person.

When younger I was often rejected in favour of men with lower income, lower intelligence, lower academic acheivement, lower career achievement and higher criminal records. It baffled me at the time and my response was to work harder at yet more achievement - and yet more rejection.

I now believe that the main thing the men had who were chosen in favour of me was that the they were just more enjoyable to be with. And this is a huge issue when you're thinking of spending large amounts of your time with someone.

Maybe you struggle with flirting? Another common AS problem. Sometimes I even feel that I'm flirting outrageously, only to find that the other person has noticed nothing at all and has long concluded that I'm totally asexual.

Anyway, I'm in your age group and more intrigued than frightened by your success. If I wasn't already married with children, I'd be on the next plane to whereever you are in the world 8)


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02 May 2008, 9:53 am

honestly Id have to see a photo...and hear what type of jokes do make you laugh