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14 Dec 2008, 1:25 am

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TENNOHEIKA BANZAI!! ! *charges into thread with a bayonet*

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14 Dec 2008, 2:02 am

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Speak for yourself. I'm a lot better at reading subtext in writing than I am in person.


I'm sure that's true for many people. The unfortunate thing is, a person's unspoken insinuations and expressions aren't clearly listed in subtext beneath their spoken words when you have an actual face-to-face conversation with them, which can lead to a lot of frustration for some people when attempting to actually find romantic attraction with another person in real life, not just an online relationship via the internet.

As such, the more actual real life interaction you have with people, the better the chances are that you learn the unspoken signs and signals that can dictate a very large portion of what initial romantic attraction is based on.



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14 Dec 2008, 4:32 am

Hey AutisticMalcontent sorry to hear about that.

All is I can suggest is to put more effort into your messages like the first poster said. A lot of guys just spam heaps of girls with a simple message. So you probably have been dismissed for that. But in saying that I think it is crap to be treated like that.

Women are really picky about what they are after with the Mr Right thing etc.. All you can do is give it a go and good on you for trying. :thumleft:

If the women you are interested in are not interested in you and you are not interested in the women that are interested you, there isn't much you can do about it. :shrug:

You can rant all like about women, it isn't going to change them. :lol:



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14 Dec 2008, 6:22 am

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Secondly, you don't even know me, so what you say are merely assumptions with no basis in fact. In fact I'm very nice, thank you very much, and I never said that I thought unattractive girls were not worth living, once again you're sticking words in my mouth. I just found them physically repulsive and I was annoyed that my attempts failed but that girls I never were attracted to came to me.


So in short, your anger means nothing to me because it shows exactly how out of control you are right now. I'm actually quite suprised that you wasted so much of your time and energy trying to insult me so vividly. I'm done wasting my breath on you, you're not even worth it.


OK, you didn't say they didn't deserve to live. You said, it was insulting to you that they showed interest in you. Still, a complete jerk.

As for whether you are nice or not - I can only judge you by your actions here. And you can *claim* to be a nice person as much as you want. It doesn't necessarily mean that you are. I am not apologetic about calling you a jerk. What you said about fat girls in your OP is far worse than anything I have said to you and you are completely unapologetic about it.

One good thing that came from this thread is that it is proof that being a jerk is not a sufficient condition to get girls.

As to why I spent time on this thread - well it comes down to the fact that I hate jerks. Simple as that :) Hey I've protected people from bullies before in school.

On a further note, do you think that it is insulting to girls if fat guys approach them romantically? I am sure many forumites here are interested in your opinion because quite a few of them are overweight. Some even have double chins. They are nice people who don't want to cause trouble and I'm sure would like to know if by daring to ask non-fat girls out they are causing them unnecessary mental anguish and pain, you know on the basis them being fat and all. I swear I'll shut up if you tell all the overweight guys here that they are insulting girls by asking them out :)

Also, if one is socially awkward, is it also insulting to asks someone not socially awkward out (as social skills can be nearly as important as physical attractiveness in the romance game)? Is it insulting to NTs for say someone with Asperger's to be interested in them romantically? What does one do if one is both fat and has Asperger's? Should they show good manners and not insult anyone with their romantic attention? Inquiring minds want to know.

All I ask of you is that you answer these questions...



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14 Dec 2008, 8:38 am

Firstly, leave AutisticMalcontent alone! He did say that he gave the overweight girls a chance.

Secondly, it isn't "shallow" to care about looks. Why do people have to be made to feel bad for natural human instinct, which is to care at least a tiny bit about looks? It's the same as people who try to make rich people feel bad for having nice things.

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Thirdly, you probably won't find someone on a dating site, for the reasons people have said before.

And the OP wasn't saying that ALL overweight people are ugly. I used to know a girl who was really overweight, but she was actually very pretty because she was confident and had a nice face.

If you don't find someone attractive, the relationship won't work, so you shouldn't HAVE to date someone you don't find attractive to avoid people saying you're being superficial.


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14 Dec 2008, 9:01 am

gina-ghettoprincess wrote:
Firstly, leave AutisticMalcontent alone! He did say that he gave the overweight girls a chance.


Er no. He said he didn't insult them to their face. Which is nice. And then he goes and mocks and ridicules them behind their backs which is being a jerk. It's all a bit mean girl actually. Still, I don't get the impression he ever really gave them a chance. For him, fat, no good.

And he shouldn't necessarily. I mean if he doesn't find them attractive then he doesn't. Everyone's allowed to have their preferences. Him not finding them attractive is not why he is a jerk.

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Secondly, it isn't "shallow" to care about looks. Why do people have to be made to feel bad for natural human instinct, which is to care at least a tiny bit about looks? It's the same as people who try to make rich people feel bad for having nice things.


I agree with you. It's just hypocritical for the OP to spend almost his entire post ranting about girls not giving him a chance because of looks and talking crap about them and then doing the same thing to girls who don't have good looks.

The claim that you are "superficial" because you care about looks actually originally came from the OP so take it up with him if you have a beef with it. We merely echo what he himself has said to try to make him realize his hypocrisy.

It's actually quite amusing that he still doesn't get it and thinks that we have a beef with people having preferences for looks and then goes on rants about how it is simply human nature (though apparently a serious character flaw when girls use it to reject him). No, we're just pointing out you're a hypocrite by using your own words. And yet you still don't get it...

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And the OP wasn't saying that ALL overweight people are ugly. I used to know a girl who was really overweight, but she was actually very pretty because she was confident and had a nice face.

If you don't find someone attractive, the relationship won't work, so you shouldn't HAVE to date someone you don't find attractive to avoid people saying you're being superficial.


Well, strictly speaking you're right. All we know from his posts is he thinks it's insulting for overweight people to ask him out. Actually it would be less irritating if he just said all overweight people were ugly. It's his judgment call on that and everyone has different opinions on looks which aren't really that important in the first place. The insulting bit is worse because it is basically telling them that they need to know their place i.e. it is saying he is superior to them. I mean how else can fat people be insulting him when approaching him romantically if not for the fact that he thinks he is superior to them? There is no reason for him to be *insulted* by their advances otherwise. Basically the beef I have with him is he is prejudiced jerk who judges people's worth as human beings based on their weight. That and he's a hypocrite about the judging on looks thing. Choose one side or the other, it doesn't matter which, just don't be a hypocrite.

And I agree with you on that last bit. Which is why I have consistently said my beef with the OP is not with him finding fat people unattractive.



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14 Dec 2008, 12:27 pm

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That wasn't the biggest insult. The biggest insult came when extremely unattractive girls started sending me messages, wanting to possibly start something romantic with me. I'm talking about morbidly obese girls, often with more than one chin. Do you know how insulting that is? To try and be friendly with girls online and for them to ignore you, but for the most unattractive girls you have ever seen to come after you.

Isn't it bad enough that I've been single 22 years now (all my life), that I have to be mocked even more with this? Isn't bad enough that I burn with desire and passion because no f***ing girl ever cared for me romantically? I swear to God, I think ALL women are superficial hypocrites...


You are bitching that no one is contacting you back, but when you get contacted, you base everything on looks and don't give them a chance. Sounds to me like you are the hypocrite.

I have joined dating sites, I have always talked to and goine out with women that I thought were unattrative. But you get to know them, see if there is a spark. maybe become friends. My point is, keep an open mind and don't blow people off based on looks.

I agree with KenM. This stuck out from the rest of your post for me, too. It sounds like you're being just as choosy as the girls you're sending messages to. How do you think these "unattractive" girls feel? Are they also superficial hypocrites? Do you even give them a chance to show you their personality?

You need to evaluate exactly what you want in a girl.



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14 Dec 2008, 1:32 pm

I guess I'm the only one that found someone on a dating website :P. Oh wait, one of my good friends did too, dating websites suck ;) ... I guess, ehehehehe.



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14 Dec 2008, 4:43 pm

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anna-banana wrote:
so you're saying all women are shallow when you only rely on looks yourself.

*cough*hypocrite*cough*


Oh, and I'm positively sure that you are the very portrait of objectivity, things like appearences or looks mean very little to you, right? :P Deny it all you want, but even you have standards for physical appearence, and even you would reject certain guys solely based on appearence. So in a sense, we are both hypocrites, you for calling me a hypocrite when you would reject guys based on physical appearence, and me for ranting about the superficiality of women when my interests are looks based.

Most guys are interested in girls based on looks primarily, I don't what fairytale book told you otherwise, but it is the truth, and guys who deny it are lying. Don't think I'm the only guy like this, there are many just like me, but they didn't articulate it like I did.


I don't care about the looks, as long as he's made of chocolate... :wink:


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14 Dec 2008, 4:43 pm

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I guess I'm the only one that found someone on a dating website :P. Oh wait, one of my good friends did too, dating websites suck ;) ... I guess, ehehehehe.


Given that I'm on the edge of flaming someone on this thread because of all the material in it that's pissing me off, I was about to unleash a bit of hell on you, but then I noticed that you were new to this thread, so consider it a courtesy greeting, and warning, because you obviously have to be bulls***ting everyone on this forum. Love does not proceed from the Internet. It just doesn't...



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14 Dec 2008, 8:29 pm

I was defending dating websites and that they don't all suck, I wasn't flaunting anything, so, I'm sorry if I bothered you, it wasn't my intention.



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14 Dec 2008, 9:02 pm

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It's pathetic, I RESENT my female peers so very much, but I need them as much as I resent them, a cruel irony.

There, I released some of my poison, I just had to let it out of my system.

I have gone through all that you've posted... I have no solutions. I think when you've done all this and gotten nothing, all you can really do is focus on another part of your life for awhile and try and keep a positive outlook. I get mad/frustrated... but I don't want anger and frustration from keeping me from getting the relationship when I should.



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14 Dec 2008, 9:03 pm

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I was defending dating websites and that they don't all suck, I wasn't flaunting anything, so, I'm sorry if I bothered you, it wasn't my intention.

Just remember than males and females have completely different experiences on these sites.



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14 Dec 2008, 9:07 pm

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I was defending dating websites and that they don't all suck, I wasn't flaunting anything, so, I'm sorry if I bothered you, it wasn't my intention.


Like I said, I'm already on edge thanks to the heated content of this thread, but since you weren't involved it's not your fault. I'm just going to say that all my experience points to the fact that you are wrong: Dating websites are not worth anyone's time...



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14 Dec 2008, 11:03 pm

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I have no solutions. I think when you've done all this and gotten nothing, all you can really do is focus on another part of your life for awhile and try and keep a positive outlook.


I agree. When all else fails, all you can do is either have faith that odds will someday be in your favor, or go outside the box and make a complete change to the way you approach things.

In terms of dating sites, most guys in general are better off saving the money and not wasting the time and energy.



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15 Dec 2008, 3:41 pm

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HaliaTotheres wrote:
I was defending dating websites and that they don't all suck, I wasn't flaunting anything, so, I'm sorry if I bothered you, it wasn't my intention.

Just remember than males and females have completely different experiences on these sites.


This is a very important point to remember. I've been on a number of dating sites myself and from what I can tell the male-female ratio is easily 10:1 or higher.. I used to joke with people that it was 90% guys, 9.9% women or couples looking for another woman, and 0.1% eligible straight women. That's not even accounting for all the fake female profiles that seem to be especially rampant on the various FriendFinder sites.

On some of the chat rooms I used to hang out on watching a woman coming into the room was like watching someone throwing a steak into a den of hungry lions. If it had been a real club or bar there would have been more deaths than at a Wal-Mart on Black Friday. :)

So yeah, these sites are largely a waste of time for guys. I cancelled all my paid accounts a long time ago and only keep my free aspieaffections.com profile now (and even that one almost never gets viewed.)


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