Are Attractive Women More Likely to Be "Crazy"?

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27 Feb 2009, 10:16 pm

I've learned all men are bitchy.....some more than others.


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27 Feb 2009, 10:17 pm

:lol: I for one love making broad sweeping generalizations about whole genders.

Unfortunately, there being only 3, I'm rather limited in my options :?


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27 Feb 2009, 10:20 pm

What do you call man with half a brain?

Gifted. :chin:


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27 Feb 2009, 10:22 pm

^ :lmao: I like it.


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27 Feb 2009, 10:38 pm

MissConstrue wrote:
What do you call man with half a brain?

Gifted. :chin:

:lol:

Oh whatev. What's the right half of my brain ever done for me anyway? I should've left it years ago :roll:


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28 Feb 2009, 2:37 pm

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No, I think its Awesome-ly PATHETIC! I make an effort to be a bit nasty to attractive women until they prove that they're not narcissistic hoes. This is to send a message to them they they should Not expect me to put them on a pedestal just because they look good....


Wait... that's not very nice! I can understand waiting to judge until you get to know them better, but to be nasty to attractive women just because of how they look? Not all pretty girls are narcissistic hoes, by any means! In fact, in my experience, it's the middling-appearance ones who are painted to within an inch of their lives who are the narcissistic hoes....



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28 Feb 2009, 7:53 pm

Are attractive women more likely to be crazy? Only the ones that are interested in me! ZING! :lol:



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01 Mar 2009, 5:46 am

Arbie wrote:
Are attractive women more likely to be crazy? Only the ones that are interested in me! ZING! :lol:


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yl3UMO-TkE[/youtube]


Yay! Arbie is back.

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01 Mar 2009, 5:57 am

MissConstrue wrote:
What do you call man with half a brain?

Gifted. :chin:


what do you call a woman with a whole brain?

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01 Mar 2009, 7:40 am

MR_BOGAN wrote:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yl3UMO-TkE[/youtube]



I believe that's known as boom, tish



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01 Mar 2009, 11:51 am

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To answer the OP's question, I say yes -

From an evolutionary perspective, it would make sense that more attractive people in general would have a higher likelihood of being less intelligent or less stable. After all, their good looks would have in past generations made it more likely that they would have passed on their genes by reproducing earlier compared to the norm (before birth control, but maybe their stupidity or craziness trumps even using that).

Sorry, play again. In fact, it's been speculated that there ought to be a correlation between genotypic intelligence and physical attractiveness. Why? Because intelligence (or you may substitute another personality trait here if you so care) contributes to social status, especially in a primitive society (see: selection for BIG BRAINS in Homos). If we assume that we aren't dealing with a winner takes all polygamous system, then lets say a higher ranking male (the ones who stand to gain the most from status based on primate mating) will have a pick of "better" females. Because the primary attribute which selection acts on in females would be looks, we would therefore conclude higher ranking males would tend to go for pretty girls (see: the rich and famous). Now, beauty is heritable. Hence, we conclude that the beauty genez and the brains genes will tend to correlate with one another.

*twoshots, protecting the integrity of the journalism profession, refuses to divulge his sources.


But you have some logical fallacies in your argument --

1. You propose that the dominant males at a young age (the age at which teens first start having sex) will be dominated by the more intelligent. Look back on high school -- was this the case? My experience was that the popular kids tended to be those who looked older/mature earlier, thus more like a man at age 16, or more like a woman. No intelligence correlation there at all, just early maturity (and often, they were considered the most attractive). If they conceive, BAM, they've done their evolutionary part, genes are passed on, and they have that much more chance of dominating the gene pool.

2. Even if an intelligent man did pass on his genes, there's no certainty his offspring would be intelligent. Both he and the mother could have latent "stupid" genes (heterozygous for intelligence).

3. Wouldn't an intelligent man use birth control? I know I did, most of the time. I could probably have had several kids by now, but my desire to have a life and not be weighted down by kids shaped my decisions. Stupid people -- not the case at all, they don't plan ahead or have foresight. Thus the ample supply of future McDonald's workers in the ghettos and trailer parks of our fine land. This is what is scary -- stupid people are reproducing faster, at an alarming rate, to the point where at the age of 33 (my age), some of my dumb counterparts could already be grandparents, while I am childless.

I think it is you who needs to play again, because I see a very weak argument in your rebuttal.



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01 Mar 2009, 3:54 pm

yes.



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01 Mar 2009, 8:12 pm

billsmithglendale wrote:
[But you have some logical fallacies in your argument --

1. You propose that the dominant males at a young age (the age at which teens first start having sex) will be dominated by the more intelligent. Look back on high school -- was this the case? My experience was that the popular kids tended to be those who looked older/mature earlier, thus more like a man at age 16, or more like a woman. No intelligence correlation there at all, just early maturity (and often, they were considered the most attractive). If they conceive, BAM, they've done their evolutionary part, genes are passed on, and they have that much more chance of dominating the gene pool.

You're assuming that the trends you've observed in highschool are remotely representative of long term mating trends among humans. Which is absurd. If intelligence (NOT classic highschool brainyness) was not advantageous, it would not have been selected for (which it obviously has).

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2. Even if an intelligent man did pass on his genes, there's no certainty his offspring would be intelligent. Both he and the mother could have latent "stupid" genes (heterozygous for intelligence).

Intelligence is highly heritable. It may or may not become diluted or whatever, but statistically speaking smart people will tend to have smarter offspring.

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3. Wouldn't an intelligent man use birth control? I know I did, most of the time. I could probably have had several kids by now, but my desire to have a life and not be weighted down by kids shaped my decisions. Stupid people -- not the case at all, they don't plan ahead or have foresight. Thus the ample supply of future McDonald's workers in the ghettos and trailer parks of our fine land. This is what is scary -- stupid people are reproducing faster, at an alarming rate, to the point where at the age of 33 (my age), some of my dumb counterparts could already be grandparents, while I am childless.

Again, your assuming that the current dysgenic trends can be extended backwards. I am quite familiar with dysgenic fertility (it's one of my favorite topics when I'm expounding the glories of eugenics :P)


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01 Mar 2009, 10:01 pm

twoshots... I question whether intelligence or adaptability, which is the trait more suited for progeny and evolution. While intelligence may contribute to one's ability to adapt, there are numerous examples of simple organisms being much more adaptable and therefore able to survive. Also - in a saturated market, purely bestial analysis on the dynamics of romantic interaction isn't the most practical argument. Just my thoughts.


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01 Mar 2009, 10:45 pm

I imagine attractive women are more likely to be mentally stable, but there would not be all that strong a correlation.



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01 Mar 2009, 11:41 pm

makuranososhi wrote:
twoshots... I question whether intelligence or adaptability, which is the trait more suited for progeny and evolution. While intelligence may contribute to one's ability to adapt, there are numerous examples of simple organisms being much more adaptable and therefore able to survive.

Intelligence isn't really the heart of the argument; we would expect by the same reasoning that any adaptive personality trait would be correlated with looks, up to and including stability. But intelligence is clearly adaptive in humans to at least some degree (barring the modern trend toward dysgenic fertility). My argument? Homo ergaster was D.U.M.B.
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Also - in a saturated market, purely bestial analysis on the dynamics of romantic interaction isn't the most practical argument. Just my thoughts.


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I'm not even sure what you mean by that.


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