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17 May 2009, 12:21 am

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Astrology is absolute and utter nonsense. There is no way stars many light years away have any possible effect on your personality. a rock a mile away would have more gravitational effect. Not only that they are wrong with the dates with where the stars are - the stars have moved in the sky since the ancient Babylonians came up with this idea.

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I just did a full horoscope and it's too accurate to not be true. It explains specific things about my personality which are so obvious that it can't just fit anyone.

I think you should flick randomly through a horoscope book and read a horoscope without checking if it matches your birthdate. I think you will be surprised how many horoscopes you will find that will match a great deal of your personality. I have done this on friends, read them the wrong horoscope and people who believe in that stuff always say "wow that is so true". Horoscopes are made very generic and that is why so many people think they are accurate.

My individual detailed horoscope which adresses more things than just the generic sun sign was very detailed and said things like I have a tendency to live at home beyond reaching adult age, that I'm sensitive and hurt myself by provocing others and gaining their wrath, that I cause a lot of stress around me in a workplace and is usually the "bad guy" the center of other's negative emotions but at the same time a survivor because of the influence of Saturn. All this and more fits me perfectly. It also suggested I would have trouble finding a normal job because of my spiritual and dreamy nature and that I had tendencies to be obsessed with race, lineage etc. It also fits me so detailed it's scary and this was just the basic version of the individual horoscope. There's a longer much more detailed version too but from the info I got about Moon, Venus and Saturn in X I learned enough to realize it can't just be total coincidence.
Would this information be considered totally generic? I don't think so. All of this was based on my birthdate, time of the day, location etc. Not just a general star sign description.

If my horoscope would have said I was a down to earth, practically minded guy who was great in making constructive decisions etc it would have been wrong. It said the opposite and many aspects were negative aspects even, energies which definitely make my life harder but still fit me perfectly.

n=1 is not a good sample size when it comes to determining the validity of horoscopes. n=1 or another small number is rarely a good sample size

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17 May 2009, 4:43 am

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It's not proven, nor is it unproven...

From the looks of it, it seems like the Astrology signs (not the horoscopes) concerning personality traits, are based on statistics. Nothing magical, or spiritual there.

For example:
If they do a survey based on X amount of people that were born from 12/22-1/19 (Capricorn), and they find that the majority have certain personality traits in common, how is this rubbish? Sure it may not apply to everybody, but to the majority, it does.

Personality Traits of a Capricorn:

Good organizational skills
Neat & tidy
Practical
Realistic
Strong work ethic
Materialistic tendencies
Conventional
Respects authority
Egotism
Cruel taskmaster
Servility
Excessive perfectionism

Likes...

Simple food
Antiques
History
Responsibility
Not being pressured
Unconditional love
Privacy
Elitism
Family

Dislikes...

Untidiness
Disorder
Being teased
Familiarity
Surprises
New ideas & paths
Loneliness
Being useless
Public embarrasment

Almost everything on this list fit's me to a T.

since when do they base it on statistics? that's rubbish. do you have any evidence to prove any of this? and how do they asses what personality traits those people have? do they ask them? do they ask their family members? do these people take personality tests? how big are the groups, are they even representative?

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Asperger's Syndrome isn't proven either. An AS diagnosis isn't more valid than astrology since there are no hard medical evidence supporting it. Just speculations and clinically accepted criteria based on people's behaviour. The actual "brain damage" can't be proven in most cases.

All my brain scans and x-rays proved normal. My brainwaves are normal etc. I'm diagnosed strictly on behaviour, nothing else. To me, this doesn't weigh heavier than astrology.

you can't compare the two. if you have a group of people who share numerous traits, be it personality or otherwise, you can lump them into a category of "people who share those traits". if you have 10 people who wear red jumpers on odd days, you put them into a category of "people who wear red jumpers on odd days". there is nothing to prove here, just facts- these people share those traits.

but when you take a group of people who share one trait - like birth date, and then try to project on them traits that have nothing to do whatsoever with their birth date, then you are delusional.

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17 May 2009, 6:42 am

Zoonic, I'm glad you tried the link but I wish people would be as open minded.. I use astrology because it works no other reason, also the myrers-brigs type is only 70% acurate and astrology uses more factors.

also, zoonic could i have your birth data.. I kind of colect charts.

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17 May 2009, 8:10 am

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Zoonic, I'm glad you tried the link but I wish people would be as open minded..

this is where I agree with you, I also wish people would be more open minded to simple truths and facts and not just naively swallowing all BS that's served to them.

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17 May 2009, 8:15 am

anna-banana wrote:

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Zoonic, I'm glad you tried the link but I wish people would be as open minded..

this is where I agree with you, I also wish people would be more open minded to simple truths and facts and not just naively swallowing all BS that's served to them.

What your opinion of astrology?

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17 May 2009, 8:27 am

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Yeah, sure I was born in 1983, on August 2, at 23:50 in the night in the +1 timezone.

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17 May 2009, 8:35 am

place..?

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17 May 2009, 8:48 am

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place..?

63°50 N 20°15 E

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17 May 2009, 8:55 am

thanks

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17 May 2009, 9:29 am

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Zoonic, I'm glad you tried the link but I wish people would be as open minded..

this is where I agree with you, I also wish people would be more open minded to simple truths and facts and not just naively swallowing all BS that's served to them.

What your opinion of astrology?

there is not a 1 good reason to believe it. if you give me one good reason to believe it I might just change my mind.

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17 May 2009, 10:05 am

It works www.astro.com

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17 May 2009, 10:31 am

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It works www.astro.com

I have checked before, and the horoscopes are not more accurate than pure guessing. just because sometimes they happen to be accurate is not a good reason to believe it all- you could have a random text and every evening check if your day went the way the text predicts, and if it was vague enough it would probably be accurate at least every few days.

this is not a good reason. what else do you have?

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17 May 2009, 10:37 am

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It works www.astro.com

Did you enter time and place of birth.. try the portrait..

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17 May 2009, 11:27 am

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It works www.astro.com

Did you enter time and place of birth.. try the portrait..

ok, since you insist, let's have a go. I entered my birth date and place of birth and this is what I got:

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You were born with the Sun in Aries and the Moon in Cancer. This combination is most auspicious for achieving success.

LOL. but ok, let's assume that it's too early to tell and I can still turn out to be very succesful.

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You shine in social situations, where your ability to make friends is revealed. A gregarious person, you respond to others with a great deal of sensitivity.

ha! couldn't be further from truth.

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When you do undertake a project, you will assume a position of leadership. You rather prefer tasks requiring a few broad sweeps and a minimum of close attention to detail.

another major fail. I am a typical negativist. I could never lead anything. and I am all about the details

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The key to harmonious development of your personality lies in probing your inner being and uncovering the buried self.

generic BS, an empty phrase that means nothing.

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People whose ascending sign is Gemini usually appear as elegant, slender, expressive, and with very humane facial expressions.

"humane facial expressions"? LOL

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They are individuals with some literary inclination, dexterous with manual labors and crafts, apt, able, witty, inventive and very curious and subtle.

parts of it I'd like to think are true. but probably most people believe themselves to be "apt, able, witty and curious"

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A Gemini in the ascendant will always distinguish herself by her rather eloquent speech and writing, her much occupied daily life, and her perpetual lack of an ability to effect swift and determined decisions.

wrong again. there is nothing wrong about my decision-making processes.

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To achieve success, you should stress your literary and scientific studies, give free hand to your brilliant intellect in warranted circumstances, and apply your diligent nature to writing, traveling, communications, and human analysis. In all these activities you are at your best.

ah! finally something at least remotely accurate.

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The presence of the ruler here inclines you to be extremely introverted and to conduct your life along lines that are private to the utmost degree.

but wait, didn't it just say that I "shine in social situations"?

Quote:

Because of your Gemini life-traits, your versatile and clever mind becomes very interested in the occult, loving to engender and implement intellectual plans with haziness and ambiguity.

haha! that doesn't need my comment :p

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Memory is strong and of a pictorial nature. The mind, however, is liable to become too subjective and shallow with an overemphasis on superficial learning and with little practical use or lacking in intellectual sensibility.

agreed about the first one. not true about little practical use of knowledge. intellectual sensibility I have just enough of, thank you.

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In general, your work orientation and general health may be difficult at times, but you have enough willpower and stamina to make the best of them.

willpower and stamina? yes, but only on Adderal.

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Uranus opposition the Ascendant shows that relationships stand in the way of achieving the freedom you want. You attract people who demand their own freedom, even though it means you must curtail yours, and this annoys you.

vaguely true.

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A traditional marriage is not for you. You prefer a more liberal association in which the only binding agent is your emotional attraction to your partner. You enjoy a wide circle of friends who share your views and with whom you feel safe and secure. You are drawn to occupations that give you freedom to work in your own way, unconfined by rules and regulations.

true.

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Although you have a mind of your own, you probably are not fully prepared to accept responsibility for your actions.

I probably am prepared to accept them.

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The Sun was in your twelfth house at the time of birth. This may indicate a life full of limitations, obstacles, and human opposition, but at the same time a lot of inner strength and energy.

well, c'est la vie goddamnit! we all have our limitations and obstacles, and if we;re still here then we must also have some energy. this could apply to anyone.

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Your internal disposition is strong, commanding, open, and of a rare generosity.

agreed about the generosity.

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Only those very close to you have a hint of the little known facets of your personality.

true

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Regardless of the way you speak and express yourself, when you are alone, relaxed, and free of worry, you can have a sociable and congenial temperament that runs alongside a generous, kind, and attractive character.

hopefully, also true

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This astrological combination may lead you into clandestine love affairs. Unless you use a great amount of tact and diplomacy, these secret affairs may create social complications that force premature termination.

LOL. "secret affairs"? I wish.

so as you see, this is as arbitrary as it gets.

and BTW, the personality description for INTP describes me to a tee.

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17 May 2009, 11:47 am

Zoonic wrote:

I have to agree. AS diagnosis might be as myth as Astrology .

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17 May 2009, 4:26 pm

anna-banana wrote:

scorpileo wrote:

Zoonic, I'm glad you tried the link but I wish people would be as open minded..

this is where I agree with you, I also wish people would be more open minded to simple truths and facts and not just naively swallowing all BS that's served to them.

Isn't this being close-minded? :wink:

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