Does money, distance, and culture matter if you're in love?

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Don't feel pressured about love. You have a good economic situation so you can chose anyone regardless of distance or social status. It will work if you want it to but the middle-classes might grow tired of you if you don't work yourself, even if you have money. Most middle-class people just want someone to come home to and share a glass of wine with, talk about work with, have some sex with and go to public events with.

It's just my oppinion but I think most of the hatred and negativy grows out of the slaving middle-classes. They never become complete and happy people but they take every chance to criticize others for their "failures" or whatever. A middle-class life to me has no purpose, you work but you can't buy the things you want anyway, I don't see the point in that.

And to clarify, I won't let the values of a mediocre looking, mediocre income, bitter crap socioeconomic class decide where I'm going in life. I would feel like a pathetic dog if I tried to be like the middle-classes that's why I'm not interested in them sexually either.
The types I'm attracted to are those who are real lowlifes or those who never had a real job and just keep living on their family's money and acting irresponsibly.

Last edited by Zoonic on 24 May 2009, 5:01 pm, edited 2 times in total.

Honestly, in the grand scheme of life, it doesnt matter if the girl likes southpark. That should be a bonus, not a necessity. The perfect girl doesnt exist. It called compromise.[/quote]

I agree with you, perfect girl doesn't exist.

I wonder how many people in general know comprimising consists of?

And who the hell do you think you are? How about you get off your high horse and stop judging me. I gave my personal story as an example, the original question was general and not bias at all. Of course, my stance is that love conquers all, that's apparent in my actions with my own personal story, but that doesn't mean I'm not open to hearing other people's views. However, I don't appreciate people judging me and my boyfriend and accusing us of not truly being in love.



Hahaha! You want to hear my own views? Let's just say I would be a hypocrite in a lot of ways to be forbidding him of selling drugs. I am actually suprised by his behavior, deeply surprised, because he forbade me of doing all my past bad habits and expressed to me in the past how he was very much against drugs because it took some of his friends' lives. He... knew that I would not be allowed to visit him in Kosovo, that's why he overstayed in France so that he would be able to see me again.



You can't get married when you're 16 or even 17 for the matter, so it still doesn't make sense. Besides, he never said he wanted to marry me until the next year and I think that was partly due to his older brother pushing the idea on him. Regardless, he made it clear that he cared only about what I wanted and didn't care one way or another.

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He didn't encourage me at all, he often questioned why I kept it secret and I always told him because I knew my mom would keep me from seeing him if I told her. If you remember how my mother reacted in the beginning of my story, then I'm sure you can understand why I might feel the need to keep it secret. And it was him and his friend who convinced me to tell her in the first place, guess you forgot that part too. When did he manipulate me or my parents hmm? He's not doing it just for me, he's doing it for himself too... look, when it comes to drugs... I've been there, but for worst reasons than he is. Anyways, I think he might have listened to me and stopped and returned to Kosovo. That's what I'm hoping for at least.



I know the odds are against me, that's the point. So can love withstand anything? That's the question.



Oh stop sounding so bitter. I don't believe in destiny, but knowing who he is, I feel like he deserves more. So I won't give up so long as he doesn't.

I kind of feel like your being a bit biased. I mean I come from the middle-class and I'm capable of seeing people for who they are and not using them for my own benefit. I'm even studying to be a doctor.

Can you explain why the middle-class is "scum", while rich people aren't? From my experience, it's been the rich that are incredibly snobby... I went to school with a bunch of rich people, and they always had everything handed to them... they never had to put an effort into getting anything...

The artists/designers/authors are the people that are the pricks... when I think of an "artist", I think of some of those earlier Macintosh ads... and how snobby and superior they feel compared to everyone else...

Anyway, economic factors shouldn't be an issue IMO... love is love, and is usually not correlated to income in any way (although if theres other stuff like one person is bombed out on crack all the time, that can be an issue)...

Distance, on the other hand, is a MAJOR issue... an e-hug is just not the same thing...

"Everyone else" are those who wants the minorities to conform and get a "real life" and a "real job" etc. The people who generate the most hatred all around. I've met tons of upper class people, the reactions to what I do/who I am are not generally as negative as what I get from middle-class people. Middle-class people are haters of individualism and just want people to conform or die. The most small-minded sh***y, self righteous people are the middle-classes. The middle-class is the only class which truly dictates to themselves who it is okay to love and who is "below" or "out of their league". The midde-class is the only class who thinks it's the most "natural" way for a doctor to marry an architect. I hate those kinds of cunstructions.

Middle-class people just get on my nerves. I am so utterly disgusted by them. My partner either has to be a thuggish simpleton from the streets or a decadent, free-spirited heir of some sort who don't give a damn about what the majority of society thinks about him.

Again, I am from the middle-class! I am offended by this and do believe you are wrong with your generalization.

Sounds to me like you're the one generating hatred here...


I lived around and went to school with a bunch of rich people, and they were all narcissists... the people who weren't descended from wealth, but still had some money were the ones that had the best quality of spirit...


No, you're wrong... again, that's rich people... they make money by making everyone else conform... look at Paris Hilton...


Just try to get some rich heiress... unless you can sustain her shopping sprees that cost thousands of dollars each, or if you have the body of a lifeguard, you won't last long, even assuming she would actually pay attention to you...


Is there something overly wrong about a doctor marrying an architect? If two people love each other, does it matter? Or is this all about some doctor who stole your architect girlfriend?

The thuggish simpleton is going to either be wasted on heroin or will try to mug you, and the "rich, free-spirited heir" isn't going to pay attention to you...

Thank you for proving my point about middle-class hatred and stereotyping. That attitude that everything which isn't "balanced" and in the middle is wrong and must be made into worthless examples, it's all so typical middle-class thinking. There are quite a few examples of upper class marrying lower classes and far from all thugs are braindead.

My experiences of the upper class is that they are very open to political incorrectness and alternative discussions and very accomodating towards "alternative" people. People who are thought of as snobby by many are most of the time, in my eyes, very easy to get along with. The snobbieness is just superficial, beneath it they are usually more easygoing and especially friendly if you're a bit weird or don't fit into the typical group of people.

My experiences of the lowlife people is that we also get along well. They as well respect the fact that I'm not like the average person. "You're not like the others, you're cool" is something I get to hear a lot. Back in middle-school many thugs left me alone, I even had a group of gypsys I hardly knew "protecting" me from middle-class and muslim bullies. I didn't ask them to they just did it anyway for some reason.

The middle-classes however, they look at me with suspicion for being better dressed than them and many display disgust or insecurity because of my self-confidence, they sometimes even display signs of fear because I'm so clearly not someone who fits into their world. They trashtalk me. They can't even comprehend the possibility of an alternative lifestyle. Middle-class is garbage, the real scum of society. Small-minded is an understatement.

First of all, stop twisting my words into something I didn't mean. I specifically said "thuggish simpleton", not referring to the entire lower class... I know many lower-class people that are quite friendly, but at the same time aren't that "thuggish simpleton" you referred to... but until you've been mugged (for a whopping $4.13 and a defunct debit card, so it's not like I was rolling in money at the time), you don't know what thugs are really about...

As for the rich, I'm still standing by my experiences in school, in which the rich were the snobs that thought themselves a superior form of life to everyone else... As for the "free-spirited millionaires", if you found Richard Branson in female form, there's a good chance she wouldn't be looking for anyone to date (remember, we're talking about free-spirited), and most likely wouldn't be looking for a hater like you...


Last I checked, I was more weird than anyone else in my school, and I was the one constantly singled out by everyone else...


That's pretty much the exact opposite of what I encountered... it was the rich people that expected you to mold to their standards... I got so much ostracism for being a fat nerd in a school where if you didn't fit the "OC" stereotype (i.e. rich parents, get everything you want from them, want to go to the beach or into the city all the time, having a completely-funded harvard education waiting for you from your parents, etc.), you were an outcast... If you compare that to the middle-class people I've met at my college (which is a state school), they're all very accepting (and laid-back too)...


Might I ask what your income level would fall into? Are you one of those rich people or poor people? Or are you a self-hating middle-class?

i was "middle class" once lol, we're not all bad..
no i'm a "lowlife" as far as, no job, car or owned property..

Yeah, I come from "academic" middle class but of course my family can't be negative because that would mean hating me, which they don't want. Other middle-class people however can't understand that I just care more about my own interests than "getting a life".

Maybe I wasn't bullied by those gypsys because I was never a fat nerd, just weird. I do found however that people who would normally rob or beat someone up would say "no, he's okay, let him go", while the middle-classes spread endless false rumours and lies about me, my family, my health etc.

i must make money. i get love from my animals and it is pure and consistent.

i can not really "love" a person in a romantic way because it is beyond me.

distance is irrelevant and so is culture. if i love someone, then they do not have to have money, or be close by to me, and they do not have to have any culture.

but i only loved 3 people in my life fully , and 2 are gone.

a person who i love needs nothing but themselves to be loved by me, but i must make money and protect myself from harm and deprivation by making as much as i can.

i am rather shallow and i do not think my post is very relevant to your situation.

another thing i think is that only you can share the feelings you have for him with him, and you can not expect anyone else to truly understand.
you must follow what your instinct tells you ii think.

if you try to intellectualize it, it becomes frighteningly confusing.
lay back and act upon the urges your heart desires.
maybe you will be disappointed, but you will have been brave, and you will have stood up for what you believe, and you therefore can sleep well.

in my country, 16 is the age of consent, and someone who is 22 who is "going out" with a 16 year old is considered not to be a pervert.

i am 11 years older than the girl i love. she is mildly ret*d (MFA) and she loves me like no other person does. i do not care that my family says i can "do much better" than her. i will stay by her side until i die and i will give her everything i have when i die.
she is so very innocent and ignored by people who "pick and choose" based upon "hipness" and "sophistication".

well i will not abandon her for any reason that could ever be, and she knows that and she clings like a koala to me.

my family think i am more than just autistic when they see her. they think i may be "bent" in the head in a perverted way.
it is them that are "straight line thinkers" that can not see why i love tammy.

if i was not in the world, then tammy would be in a lot of trouble.

if you were not in the world, then he may also be very much at the mercy of his fate.

who knows but you and him? no one.

Actually, your post was completely relevant. In France, 15 is the age of consent, and even though I met him when I was 16, we didn't actually lose our virginities to each other till I was 17. Like you, I like to be financially stable which is why I don't think getting married would be a good idea at this point in my life. I just wish I knew where he was right now. I don't know what's happened since our last phone call. Distance is one thing, but not having any contact for over a month I just don't know what to think.