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25 Jul 2011, 3:01 pm

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yes. and i still find them to be completely different.

Ok then so your quite happy to enter into a financial transaction for a conversation?
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psychologists and psychiatrists do not commonly experience the issues that i listed in my response.

I agree with that, tho do you really think that psychology, psychiatry and psychotherapy are totally 100% benign actitivies?



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25 Jul 2011, 3:11 pm

cdfox7 wrote:
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yes. and i still find them to be completely different.

Ok then so your quite happy to enter into a financial transaction for a conversation?
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psychologists and psychiatrists do not commonly experience the issues that i listed in my response.

I agree with that, tho do you really think that psychology, psychiatry and psychotherapy are totally 100% benign actitivies?

i don't think psychotherapy is just conversations, and i do not think you believe that either.

no profession is completely benign. it's a matter of degree. and there is a very wide chasm in between these jobs. considering the number of prostitutes who come from abusive environments, the number of them that start as children, the percentage that are trafficked, and the mortality rates, i'd say child soldiers are on par with prostitution in *many* cases (though in some environments the health and mortality rate for prostitutes is a lot better, the other problems remain, so it doesn't always work as a comparison. but few other jobs carry similar risks). in contrast, mental health professionals have it fairly easy.

EDIT: or even a comparison to soldiers might work, though most soldiers in western/northern places see less violence than prostitutes do. and in developed countries their mortality rate may even be lower. i think someone needs to do further research on this idea.


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25 Jul 2011, 3:45 pm

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yes. and i still find them to be completely different.

Ok then so your quite happy to enter into a financial transaction for a conversation?
hyperlexian wrote:
psychologists and psychiatrists do not commonly experience the issues that i listed in my response.

I agree with that, tho do you really think that psychology, psychiatry and psychotherapy are totally 100% benign actitivies?

i don't think psychotherapy is just conversations, and i do not think you believe that either.

no profession is completely benign. it's a matter of degree. and there is a very wide chasm in between these jobs. considering the number of prostitutes who come from abusive environments, the number of them that start as children, the percentage that are trafficked, and the mortality rates, i'd say child soldiers are on par with prostitution in *many* cases (though in some environments the health and mortality rate for prostitutes is a lot better, the other problems remain, so it doesn't always work as a comparison. but few other jobs carry similar risks). in contrast, mental health professionals have it fairly easy.

EDIT: or even a comparison to soldiers might work, though most soldiers in western/northern places see less violence than prostitutes do. and in developed countries their mortality rate may even be lower. i think someone needs to do further research on this idea.


Most forms of pyschotherapy use spoken conversation, you know that. Yes I know theres non conversationly forms of therapy.
Sex therapy is a form of pyschotherapy which uses sex surrogates, do you aprrove of the use of sex surragtes in therapy?
Let my ask tmy first question again are you happy to enter into a financial transaction for a conversation? Plus add this have you ever financial payed for a conversation?

All professions have there occupational hazards. Its a fairer comparsion IMHO of slavery with prostitution.



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25 Jul 2011, 3:52 pm

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You can use women like objects if you want, but don't come whining when a woman uses you in return.



ooooooww stop it you vixen



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25 Jul 2011, 3:54 pm

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Most forms of pyschotherapy use spoken conversation, you know that. Yes I know theres non conversationly forms of therapy.
Sex therapy is a form of pyschotherapy which uses sex surrogates, do you aprrove of the use of sex surragtes in therapy?
Let my ask tmy first question again are you happy to enter into a financial transaction for a conversation? Plus add this have you ever financial payed for a conversation?

All professions have there occupational hazards. Its a fairer comparsion IMHO of slavery with prostitution.


therapist = the rapist



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25 Jul 2011, 4:03 pm

cdfox7 wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
cdfox7 wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
yes. and i still find them to be completely different.

Ok then so your quite happy to enter into a financial transaction for a conversation?
hyperlexian wrote:
psychologists and psychiatrists do not commonly experience the issues that i listed in my response.

I agree with that, tho do you really think that psychology, psychiatry and psychotherapy are totally 100% benign actitivies?

i don't think psychotherapy is just conversations, and i do not think you believe that either.

no profession is completely benign. it's a matter of degree. and there is a very wide chasm in between these jobs. considering the number of prostitutes who come from abusive environments, the number of them that start as children, the percentage that are trafficked, and the mortality rates, i'd say child soldiers are on par with prostitution in *many* cases (though in some environments the health and mortality rate for prostitutes is a lot better, the other problems remain, so it doesn't always work as a comparison. but few other jobs carry similar risks). in contrast, mental health professionals have it fairly easy.

EDIT: or even a comparison to soldiers might work, though most soldiers in western/northern places see less violence than prostitutes do. and in developed countries their mortality rate may even be lower. i think someone needs to do further research on this idea.


Most forms of pyschotherapy use spoken conversation, you know that. Yes I know theres non conversationly forms of therapy.
Sex therapy is a form of pyschotherapy which uses sex surrogates, do you aprrove of the use of sex surragtes in therapy?
Let my ask tmy first question again are you happy to enter into a financial transaction for a conversation? Plus add this have you ever financial payed for a conversation?

All professions have there occupational hazards. Its a fairer comparsion IMHO of slavery with prostitution.

i'm not going to answer that question because the two activities are not the same. therapy is not just conversation, and i don't know of any applicable situation where people are paying for conversation (so of course i could not have done it myself). and prostitution isn't just conversation either.

no, i do not approve of the use of sex surrogates. very few reputable sex therapists use that technique anyway.


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25 Jul 2011, 4:07 pm

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25 Jul 2011, 4:08 pm

Kiran wrote:
swbluto wrote:
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You can use women like objects if you want, but don't come whining when a woman uses you in return.


You're damm right I can use prostitutes as prostitutes, just as they can use paying clients as paying clients. Generalizing that to "women" is a wee bit presumptuous.



Men like you are the reason i don't have any reservation towards using men anymore. If men are gonna use women to their advantage, i'll use men to my advantage.


Then stop acting as if you are better than him.



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25 Jul 2011, 4:18 pm

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When you buy a prostitutes, it's because you think it's okay to buy a woman's body as an object.

Can you buy her body independent from her mind, and I mean literally? These are the advantages of sex dolls, the disadvantages though, they are not too realistic. (Mind you, I wanted to do an unPC comment towards an expression not seeming too bright)

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It means you have no respect for the female body and all women have female bodies, not just prostitutes. When you use a woman's body, it's sends a message to all women that a woman's body is something to be used and disrespected.

Actually, you are the one sending the message, given that you are the one describing the interpretation you give, because, you are the one coming up with that conclusion, from your ideology (regardless if they are accurate or not). What I'm saying is that it gets funny when people present their own opinions (which are not agreed upon many and seen to have few problems) as facts. And this applies to the other side of the coin as well.

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Men like you are the reason i don't have any reservation towards using men anymore.

The judgement to come up with who deserves this and who deserves that, specially on this issue, is an ethical problem.

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If men are gonna use women to their advantage, i'll use men to my advantage.

Do an equal treatment! Use them as sex objects.



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25 Jul 2011, 4:38 pm

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It means you have no respect for the female body and all women have female bodies, not just prostitutes.

No, it doesn't.


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25 Jul 2011, 4:46 pm

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i'm not going to answer that question because the two activities are not the same. therapy is not just conversation, and i don't know of any applicable situation where people are paying for conversation (so of course i could not have done it myself). and prostitution isn't just conversation either.

no, i do not approve of the use of sex surrogates. very few reputable sex therapists use that technique anyway.


Edit:that comment was out of line am sorry



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25 Jul 2011, 8:29 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Kiran wrote:
swbluto wrote:
Kiran wrote:
You can use women like objects if you want, but don't come whining when a woman uses you in return.


You're damm right I can use prostitutes as prostitutes, just as they can use paying clients as paying clients. Generalizing that to "women" is a wee bit presumptuous.



Men like you are the reason i don't have any reservation towards using men anymore. If men are gonna use women to their advantage, i'll use men to my advantage.


Then stop acting as if you are better than him.


She's angry becuase she can't find a mate, she sounds like a man hater .


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25 Jul 2011, 8:45 pm

aussiebloke wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Kiran wrote:
swbluto wrote:
Kiran wrote:
You can use women like objects if you want, but don't come whining when a woman uses you in return.


You're damm right I can use prostitutes as prostitutes, just as they can use paying clients as paying clients. Generalizing that to "women" is a wee bit presumptuous.



Men like you are the reason i don't have any reservation towards using men anymore. If men are gonna use women to their advantage, i'll use men to my advantage.


Then stop acting as if you are better than him.


She's angry becuase she can't find a mate, she sounds like a man hater .


She really sounds like she's had bitter experiences with guys taking advantage of her (Like pretending to love her and the like in order to get her to bed), and she's redirecting her bitterness to someone she can target. Like me, because I'm the totally hot kind of guy she'd fall for. :lol:



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25 Jul 2011, 11:47 pm

Kiran wrote:
Men like you are the reason i don't have any reservation towards using men anymore. If men are gonna use women to their advantage, i'll use men to my advantage.


There's the spirit. Some fellow gets his, you get a free dinner and some new shoes, and no one gets hurt.



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26 Jul 2011, 1:40 am

CaptainTrips222 wrote:
Kiran wrote:
Men like you are the reason i don't have any reservation towards using men anymore. If men are gonna use women to their advantage, i'll use men to my advantage.


There's the spirit. Some fellow gets his, you get a free dinner and some new shoes, and no one gets hurt.


Yer its double standards. I have to laught that its clamed that about 65% of women on WP would not have sex with a man who used a prostitute. Thos its ok for a woman to take advantage of a man. Also most of the femail argumed have negleted to look at the femail use of male prostitutes.

I defined prositiution as a transaction. so its fair to state that psychotherapy is a form of prositution.
Now I'll ask this question can casual relationships be viewed as form of prositution.



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26 Jul 2011, 4:35 am

cdfox7 wrote:
CaptainTrips222 wrote:
Kiran wrote:
Men like you are the reason i don't have any reservation towards using men anymore. If men are gonna use women to their advantage, i'll use men to my advantage.


There's the spirit. Some fellow gets his, you get a free dinner and some new shoes, and no one gets hurt.


Yer its double standards. I have to laught that its clamed that about 65% of women on WP would not have sex with a man who used a prostitute. Thos its ok for a woman to take advantage of a man. Also most of the femail argumed have negleted to look at the femail use of male prostitutes.

I defined prositiution as a transaction. so its fair to state that psychotherapy is a form of prositution.
Now I'll ask this question can casual relationships be viewed as form of prositution.


I know. Prostitution isn't men objectifying women. They didn't pick them off shelves at the super market. If anything, it's women objectifying themselves, but even then that doesn't make sense. It's illegal services rendered. The fact that some are forced into the sex industry is a separate issue of women's rights, but it's not institutionally objectifying them.

Now if you wanna bring up Hustler and PlayBoy, then you have a case. Women are pretty much objectified in our (just about every) culture in one form or another, but not with call girls.