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05 Mar 2019, 7:31 pm

Ohhh i see what u mean
No complexes and equal value
Unravelling the unnecessary value judgements on ourselves and others

Unfortunately This is a quagmire
U wd have to reach them via a lecture or

demonstrating it urself which is tough if they keep u confined to a box in their minds

Or doing something all together different frm what they r used to that has a positive goal
EG planting trees
Learning smthing together
Doing smthing like a fundraiser together

But NTs are rigid about the categories n hierarchies they assign
Even thoygh they are quick to notice n point out our flaws
Their deficiencies hurt each other more


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06 Mar 2019, 1:41 pm

I wonder if my friends pass my lectures around amongst each other. I sincerely hope so.

The main other thing I have to offer is tech support.


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06 Mar 2019, 9:43 pm

blooiejagwa wrote:
Ohhh i see what u mean
No complexes and equal value
Unravelling the unnecessary value judgements on ourselves and others

Unfortunately This is a quagmire
U wd have to reach them via a lecture or

demonstrating it urself which is tough if they keep u confined to a box in their minds

Or doing something all together different frm what they r used to that has a positive goal
EG planting trees
Learning smthing together
Doing smthing like a fundraiser together

But NTs are rigid about the categories n hierarchies they assign
Even thoygh they are quick to notice n point out our flaws
Their deficiencies hurt each other more


I think I need to take more initiative about encouraging friends to adopt healthier attitudes towards our collective selves. Objectively, yeah I often get treated as deficient socially but I don't think that should make me any less grateful towards people. I want someone to know how much she matters to me without conflicting expectations becoming a problem again.

Long story short we all need to give each other another chance, we live in such a cynical culture that I have to just tell everyone enough is enough - either we can show love to each other freely or we're going nowhere FAST.


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06 Mar 2019, 11:15 pm

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Hypervigilance, for lack of a better guess. The stress keeps me on my toes, which in itself is familiar. I've had far more stressful jobs before so there's something of a dangerous precondition.

Part of all these technical disciplines for me is expecting myself to absorb all the necessary info before I even realize I'm done studying. I'm trying to avoid applying my absurd standards to loved ones.


That's an issue for me too. Then I realised our subconscious mind has far more power to absorb info than we give it credit for. Now I look at 'cramming' in a totally different way. :mrgreen:


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06 Mar 2019, 11:51 pm

Perhaps my trouble is that I haven't applied such reasoning to focusing on people rather than only studying.


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07 Mar 2019, 12:02 am

Alita wrote:
cberg wrote:
Hypervigilance, for lack of a better guess. The stress keeps me on my toes, which in itself is familiar. I've had far more stressful jobs before so there's something of a dangerous precondition.

Part of all these technical disciplines for me is expecting myself to absorb all the necessary info before I even realize I'm done studying. I'm trying to avoid applying my absurd standards to loved ones.


That's an issue for me too. Then I realised our subconscious mind has far more power to absorb info than we give it credit for. Now I look at 'cramming' in a totally different way. :mrgreen:


You naughty...



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07 Mar 2019, 12:53 am

... Oh. :oops:


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07 Mar 2019, 6:10 am

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My dad still lives alone in a different country in a tiny little space (just a couple of rooms) to provide for us all. And he wd rather die than inconvenience us. I guess it is honourable and kind but also shows that men hold a big burden willingly.



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I salute you for this attitude.

There are things that some of the married/engaged female coworkers say that it strikes me as they view their jobs as something optional they have in life, that they can easily stop with no problem.

Concrete example: The other day a new European coworker (who's married to a local) asked what's the holiday calendar declared by the company, so I had to explain her that we are a very small company and there's no real HR here, and we even don't have this culture here, whether we will have a holiday or not on this 2019's Easter for example depends on the CEO's mood the day before it, he may completely change his mind anytime, he has the last word, he's the 'God' here. And there's really no law that will oblige them to close at official holidays.
Her response, "oh, but that's bad, I will need to plan my vacations and travels with my husband, otherwise like this I may go crazy and quit".

So you see, she is willing to quit a job she just got for something that trivial (Holiday calendar not clear), do you really think a married man would have a such luxury? Maybe only if has plenty of other job offers, but realistically I cannot even fathom a married man would even dare to go back home, and look into the eyes of his wife and be like "Darling, I quit my six figure job because my CEO refuses to make a holiday calendar". I mean come on, it will never happen unless he's sure he has another job to start with within a month, in real life married men and fathers in particular stick to a job even if they hate it so much, quitting is not an option.



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07 Mar 2019, 7:17 am

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Keep in mind that many European countries have very strict work laws - here your CEO would get reported and pay an astronomical fine, then have a bunch of people quit and sue the company. And yes, married men would not hesitate to do it, especially since if they sue the company or involve the Work Council, they can't be fired until the case is sorted, so people often end up not having to go to work anymore but still getting paid :twisted:


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07 Mar 2019, 8:22 am

^ I dunno, she is from an Eastern european country, which is not much less corrupt than here.

Such law here exists, but the owners typically know someone and they can wipe their ass with it.



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07 Mar 2019, 8:42 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
^ I dunno, she is from an Eastern european country, which is not much less corrupt than here.

If they're in the EU, such laws would still exist - but yeah, corruption is a problem. I guess it boils down to the fact that she shouldn't live in Lebanon if she doesn't like the laws there.


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07 Mar 2019, 8:45 am

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The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
^ I dunno, she is from an Eastern european country, which is not much less corrupt than here.

If they're in the EU, such laws would still exist - but yeah, corruption is a problem. I guess it boils down to the fact that she shouldn't live in Lebanon if she doesn't like the laws there.



Such laws here exist, but only reputable corporates/bank don’t dare not to apply them.

As for the small private businesses, no one asks them.

Oh, she does love living here btw.



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07 Mar 2019, 8:50 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

Such laws here exist, but only reputable corporates/bank don’t dare not to apply them.

As for the small private businesses, no one asks them.

Oh, I see, that sucks, companies often find some loophole here too for unpaid overtime and other things, but they're afraid to push it too much. Considering I pay almost 50% in taxes, I do expect something in return... I imagine you have it a bit easier there on that front.


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07 Mar 2019, 1:18 pm

I'm a lot less concerned with wealth than I am about finding the time to see people instead of just working through all the time I should be keeping up socially.

This thread is not about solving my problems using money, it's about finding the best ways to get a break from this rat race. I know how to make plenty of money, I have no clue how about accepted ways to spend it with anyone.


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07 Mar 2019, 2:31 pm

I can’t find anyone to spend time with. Most everyone sees me as sub human.


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07 Mar 2019, 3:29 pm

You can't know that with any certainty.


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