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19 Jun 2019, 10:14 am

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The women are TELLING all you men that they don't choose partners according to the criteria you are so intent on attributing to them, most of you are projecting your masculine analysis on women and you are not LISTENING to the essence of what they are saying. :D
Maybe if you start listening and accepting what they say regardless of how illogical it is to you, you may begin to have positive relationships and learn to internalise that women need different things to men in order to be happy .

It doesn't make sense to say to a woman "no, you are wrong, you don't choose partners because of good chemistry, humour, good character etc, I know better! It's money, good looks and status that you want."

This is how men compete with each other, not how women choose partners. You are not getting the female psyche at all.


THIS!

Sure, there are women who want a guy who has it all (I think they are the exception rather than the rule), but there are lots of women out there who don’t. We’re all different and want different things.

With that being said, a positive attitude and the desire to improve one’s self (in any area) are very attractive qualities, to me, in a partner.

I’ve dated people who had all of the “disadvantages” that Marknis does.

I’m sure that some guy will respond and tell me how I’m wrong and that it’s not possible, though. :roll:



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19 Jun 2019, 10:16 am

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... It doesn't make sense to say to a woman "... It's money, good looks and status that you want." ...
How many women do you personally know who have married a homeless man from off the street?

Just asking.


Is someone in this thread homeless?

I’ve known an example or two, actually.



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19 Jun 2019, 10:17 am

Fnord wrote:
Teach51 wrote:
... It doesn't make sense to say to a woman "... It's money, good looks and status that you want." ...
How many women do you personally know who have married a homeless man from off the street?

Just asking.


now you're just getting into the realm of the ridiculous to confirm your own bias. It's really a waste of their time for women to continue to try to counter beliefs that you want to cling to so ardently.



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19 Jun 2019, 10:20 am

If memory serves me correctly, you were once homeless Fnord. You worked hard to improve your situation.

Forgive me if I'm wrong.


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19 Jun 2019, 10:22 am

Fnord wrote:
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... It doesn't make sense to say to a woman "... It's money, good looks and status that you want." ...
How many women do you personally know who have married a homeless man from off the street?

Just asking.


That's a little extreme Fnordi :D

A man with a good steady job will do for most women.Money was never an issue for me chosing a partner as long as he had a solid work ethic, that was sufficient. Gold diggers and social climbers are something else entirely of course and they probably don't make the most compassionate wives.


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19 Jun 2019, 10:23 am

I happen to have known women who have actually taken a homeless man into her home.

A homeless man is able to charm a woman out of her pants sometimes. And, sometimes, a woman might take him into her home to allow him to at least take a bath. This sort of thing does happen.



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19 Jun 2019, 10:25 am

red_doghubb wrote:
Fnord wrote:
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... It doesn't make sense to say to a woman "... It's money, good looks and status that you want." ...
How many women do you personally know who have married a homeless man from off the street? Just asking.
now you're just getting into the realm of the ridiculous to confirm your own bias. It's really a waste of their time for women to continue to try to counter beliefs that you want to cling to so ardently.
Now you are just dodging the question to confirm your own bias. It's really a waste of their time for anyone to present the entire truth when others want to cling so ardently to their own narrow perceptions.

Social status and financial security are important considerations for anyone hoping to enter into a sustainable and committed relationship.



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19 Jun 2019, 10:27 am

As if there’s a competition on who’s the most ideal here.

Ok, I am going back to planet Earth, the oxygen here is lacking for my brain cells.



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19 Jun 2019, 10:32 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
As if there’s a competition on who’s the most ideal here.

Ok, I am going back to planet Earth, the oxygen here is lacking for my brain cells.


It’s hardly stating the “ideal” when some of us are just sharing our experiences - the reality.



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19 Jun 2019, 10:33 am

Twilightprincess wrote:
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As if there’s a competition on who’s the most ideal here.

Ok, I am going back to planet Earth, the oxygen here is lacking for my brain cells.


It’s hardly stating the “ideal” when some of us are just sharing our experiences - the reality.


Ah, TP, you're shouting into the wilderness



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19 Jun 2019, 10:33 am

Lots of people who are on SSI (not even SSDI) who are raking in $800 a month are in relationships.

These people often become homeless for a time because they don’t submit necessary paperwork and lose their benefits for a time.



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19 Jun 2019, 10:36 am

Ladies, are you in relationship with a homeless/unemployed man right now? or been with one before? (short flings don’t count)



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19 Jun 2019, 10:37 am

There is, at times, an element of "Social Darwinism" when it comes to relationships between men and women.

But this is certainly not absolute. In fact, I would purport that in many parts of the USA, the "Social Darwinist" element is in the minority.

Women in rural areas want a man who is reliable, mostly. They enjoy being "swept off their feet." Yet they don't mind it if they are swept off by a farmer from across the road who might not have all his teeth, and who might be a little chubby or skinny.



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19 Jun 2019, 10:37 am

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Lots of people who are on SSI (not even SSDI) who are raking in $800 a month are in relationships.

These people often become homeless for a time because they don’t submit necessary paperwork and lose their benefits for a time.


These things only exist in the First/2nd World ;)



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19 Jun 2019, 10:38 am

Teach51 wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Teach51 wrote:
... It doesn't make sense to say to a woman "... It's money, good looks and status that you want." ...
How many women do you personally know who have married a homeless man from off the street? Just asking.
That's a little extreme Fnord.
No, it's an honest question.
Teach51 wrote:
A man with a good steady job will do for most women.
"Good" and "Steady" being relative, of course. Having no job at all puts many men out of the running for relationships.
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Money was never an issue for me choosing a partner as long as he had a solid work ethic, that was sufficient.
Not jobless, eh? What about "Not homeless" as well? Did his living conditions never enter the picture, or would you have been content to go back to his place if it had turned out to be a cardboard box in an alley off of Fifth Street?
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Gold diggers and social climbers are something else entirely of course and they probably don't make the most compassionate wives.
Who said anything about gold-diggers? Given the choice between a homeless man with no job, and a full-time shelf-stocker living in a one-bedroom apartment, the man with the job and a place to live will be more likely to be in a relationship.

While wealth and social status may not be the primary conditions for most women to enter into a relationship, the complete lack of wealth and social status are certainly deal-breakers.



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19 Jun 2019, 10:39 am

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Ladies, are you in relationship with a homeless/unemployed man right now? or been with one before? (short flings don’t count)


Is living with a parent considered “homeless?”

I have in either case.