Why is it girls have an easier time getting dates than guys?
You're not a bad-looking guy. How many women have asked you out? You circulate socially. You go to college.
Except maybe in academic/progressive circles, the old roles remain pretty well entrenched. I don't know any guy who has had a woman ask him out.
Women who are of a wide variety of degrees of "attractiveness" rarely ask men out.
Maybe it's different now--who knows?
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I always wonder, what do those girl/women that don't get attention from males actually do to get a relationship? What effort (if any) do they make?
Taking care of their appearance and hygiene are standard/don't count because every (normal) person does it.
I'm saying if you're one of those women that supposedly never get attention/approached/etc., what active effort are you making to be on the right track for a relationship?
Are you at least joining clubs/groups, going places to meet people, maybe even approaching males more often in public (even just for normal conversation that doesn't have to be romantic in intentions).?
Also, why wouldn't you ever want to approach? Because society deems it 'desperate'? Why do you care anyway? Just ignore them/it's your life not theirs. Besides, who is actually saying this?
I have heard a lot of women say they choose not to approach as they don't want people to consider them 'sl*tty/desperate'. Who are these 'people', where are they, and why does it matter?
I'm sorry for the complaining, but I'm just questioning things.
I'm genuinely curious to any adult women here: If you don't recieve much attention from males at all, do you try and do something to change that? And what?
My answer as a teen male: When I was single: Dress nice as possible, walk tall and confident, don't be afraid to greet people here and there, don't avoid conversations with others, joined a few clubs/groups, try to meet as many people as possible, as often as possible.
This isn't meant to be hostile, either. I'm not implying women don't make an effort, I'm asking do you, and what is this effort?
Heck, it's possible men and women make an equal amount of effort, but the efforts of women might just be less visible. Why might this be?
Well I cannot speak for everyone, but I have never been one to really get approached by males...and why I wasn't approaching them is in my case the autism somehow prevents me initiating interaction with people I don't know. So yeah even if I wanted to approach a guy or even other girls I couldn't and still have a lot of trouble with that. But yeah a lot of females are afraid of coming on too strong or seeming creepy, because they've probably been brought up to learn guys asking girls out is the 'norm' so they are afraid people will think it odd....but I think that is becoming more and more obsolete. I doubt most parents in my age group will be passing on that social norm to their kids.
So as for looking for a relationship I went for the free online dating sites and found OKcupid, so made a profile trying to reflect my personality and interests as best I could. I also did send some messeges myself but didn't get responses for those....but eventually I met my current boyfriend there after some failed relationship attempts with other guys I had met there.
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Hm, maybe it's just the perfect world that exists in my mind anyways. I circulate socially in the sense that I have two friends that I hang out with, but I'm far removed from any greater social structure or group in college. It's kind of a bummer actually that I lived on the floor that I did even though I met my friends there. It was the only strictly male dorm building on campus, all the rest were co ed besides the one strictly female dorm. I really don't know anyone else besides my brother and now sister here. It's probably true in most places that men do the asking. I've never asked a girl out in the conventional sense, which is why I'm single and I guess I'm okay with that right now, but I did have one girl actually ask me out though back in high school. She was also a fundamental christian type, which would seem like the last kind of person that would. Younger women might be more inclined to try to pursue men, but maybe when women reach adulthood in their early 20's they become more acclimated to traditional gender roles in that area anyways. That's just speculation though and most likely not true all the time if often.
Gender roles, in the sense of dating, is proceeding at a glacial pace.
In some areas, over the past 40 years since the 1970s, there have been astounding changes within a US context.
Where I work, most of the attorneys and judges happen to be women.
Even amongst these people, it's still most common for the guy to ask for dates, rather than vice versa.
I think that women don't do the asking because they think that if the guy liked them enough he would bother his ass to ask them out because it is ok for them to do so, they're allowed to, it's their job.
And on the other hand there's women like me who have asked men out, but the men didn't like that and said no. So you do begin to women if breaking the gender role thing is a good idea. So when the next attractive man comes along you think, Ok, I'd better do this the normal way and send the signals, that doesn't work either.
So I don't know.
This forum is making me more depressed. I guess I'm just too old and too ugly now. I stay alive for the sake of my sister. She's the only person that keeps me going.
If you're going to break the gender-rôle thing, break it entirely and do the same thing a man has to do when he's rejected: suck it up and keep trying.
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I find that Ice Cream helps with rejection.
I was in a Walmart in Florida once upon a time, and they had an entire aisle dedicated to it. I remember thinking that there must be a lot of heartbreak in America...
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I was in a Walmart in Florida once upon a time, and they had an entire aisle dedicated to it. I remember thinking that there must be a lot of heartbreak in America...
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I was in a Walmart in Florida once upon a time, and they had an entire aisle dedicated to it. I remember thinking that there must be a lot of heartbreak in America...
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I always wonder, what do those girl/women that don't get attention from males actually do to get a relationship? What effort (if any) do they make?
Taking care of their appearance and hygiene are standard/don't count because every (normal) person does it.
I'm saying if you're one of those women that supposedly never get attention/approached/etc., what active effort are you making to be on the right track for a relationship?
Are you at least joining clubs/groups, going places to meet people, maybe even approaching males more often in public (even just for normal conversation that doesn't have to be romantic in intentions).?
Also, why wouldn't you ever want to approach? Because society deems it 'desperate'? Why do you care anyway? Just ignore them/it's your life not theirs. Besides, who is actually saying this?
I have heard a lot of women say they choose not to approach as they don't want people to consider them 'sl*tty/desperate'. Who are these 'people', where are they, and why does it matter?
I'm sorry for the complaining, but I'm just questioning things.
I'm genuinely curious to any adult women here: If you don't recieve much attention from males at all, do you try and do something to change that? And what?
My answer as a teen male: When I was single: Dress nice as possible, walk tall and confident, don't be afraid to greet people here and there, don't avoid conversations with others, joined a few clubs/groups, try to meet as many people as possible, as often as possible.
This isn't meant to be hostile, either. I'm not implying women don't make an effort, I'm asking do you, and what is this effort?
Heck, it's possible men and women make an equal amount of effort, but the efforts of women might just be less visible. Why might this be?
For me, I usually don't feel comfortable with approaching guys because a lot of them either seem uncomfortable, indifferent or they act very serious around me. I can almost tell that they aren't interested because a lot of them would give me strange looks and avoid looking at me. There are some guys that are friendly towards me, but they are just friendly in general. I mean, I've approached guys a few times before, but I usually feel like I might come off as creepy and desperate because of the reasons that I mentioned.
I do try to make an effort to meet new people though. I'm involved in a couple of activities, but they either have very few guys or none at all. I tried online dating a few years ago, but it didn't work out very well and a lot of the guys didn't seem interested in having a relationship. I usually try to make myself approachable and I try to be friendly and greet people that are nice to me. I have pretty good posture most of the time now too and the clothes I wear are fine, but they are very casual.
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Ok, I get it. Everyone is afraid to approach everyone else. It's human nature.
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To the women here always too shy/nervous to approach in real life - don't you see us males are just as afraid and nervous of approaching as you are?
Fact is, even if everyone, both male and female, feel too nervous to make the first move, someone still has to step-up and do it.
In my experiences it's almost always been the male who steps up. How come?
This isn't about culture or society either,. I'm not talking about that. Maybe it has an influence on things, but I'm talking about motivation and effort.
If two shy people are attracted to one another, if no one does anything,, nothing will happen. But if one person steps-up, which one, in your experiences, do you expect to take the initiative?
Fact is, even if everyone, both male and female, feel too nervous to make the first move, someone still has to step-up and do it.
In my experiences it's almost always been the male who steps up. How come?
This isn't about culture or society either,. I'm not talking about that. Maybe it has an influence on things, but I'm talking about motivation and effort.
If two shy people are attracted to one another, if no one does anything,, nothing will happen. But if one person steps-up, which one, in your experiences, do you expect to take the initiative?
What you guys I think are failing to take into consideration is that autistic women face as much social rejection as you do (social interactions that we fumble or make awkward for others by getting them "wrong" somehow), so we are just as conditioned as you are to be shy about approaching people because of that expectation that we will surely somehow get it wrong, just like you guys have. Do you know why that is?--It's because we have autism too, and face the same kind of social challenges that guys do (even with dating)! We don't get a free pass or get accepted all the time by everyone even when we mess up just because we have vaginas or something. Women are still expected by most people to be the social navigators and butterflies, and when we fail at that we are shunned and mocked for it, or ignored and rejected--JUST LIKE YOU GUYS!
So what's your solution other then wait for a guy to ask you out?
This is why I tried online dating. Reality is like he said if neither gender ask the other out then nothing happens. I willing to bet women get asked out way more often then men, FYI not all aspie women struggle to be asked out or rejected like you or men. If their super pretty aspie or not their get lots of men asking them out. There was one who was on dating site and her sister talked to me and told me the girl has lots of men asking her out so my chances were not good. Also lot of the traits aspie women have are highly attractive to men but the reverse isn't true. Being shy and nerdy is cute in women. Being shy and nerdy is suspicious in a guy and a turn off for most women.
Shy isn't confident and as most women say even most aspie women confidence is key and required. Never hear men say confidence is required or is key or is attractive in for women.
Shy woman is cute
Shy guy is lacking confidence and might be a future mass shooter.
I dont know the solution. More and more people are staying single, society as a whole is becoming more distant and antisocial. Seems like if this continues it'll lead to a society breakdown. Populations is already falling into a unsalvageable population decline. All our enemies have to do is wait a few hundred to a thousand years.
Fact is, even if everyone, both male and female, feel too nervous to make the first move, someone still has to step-up and do it.
In my experiences it's almost always been the male who steps up. How come?
This isn't about culture or society either,. I'm not talking about that. Maybe it has an influence on things, but I'm talking about motivation and effort.
If two shy people are attracted to one another, if no one does anything,, nothing will happen. But if one person steps-up, which one, in your experiences, do you expect to take the initiative?
What you guys I think are failing to take into consideration is that autistic women face as much social rejection as you do (social interactions that we fumble or make awkward for others by getting them "wrong" somehow), so we are just as conditioned as you are to be shy about approaching people because of that expectation that we will surely somehow get it wrong, just like you guys have. Do you know why that is?--It's because we have autism too, and face the same kind of social challenges that guys do (even with dating)! We don't get a free pass or get accepted all the time by everyone even when we mess up just because we have vaginas or something. Women are still expected by most people to be the social navigators and butterflies, and when we fail at that we are shunned and mocked for it, or ignored and rejected--JUST LIKE YOU GUYS!
I have no doubt that autistic women face social rejection to the same extent as autistic men do. Autistic females are vulnerable to date rape while autistic males are depicted as rapists and frequently the targets of false accusations of sexual offenses and even stalking.
But moreover, I have also been told by autistic women that men(including NT) are generally more accepting of them as people and more willing to overlook their social deficits than other women are. And that's not because autistic women are tomboys by nature! It's because social skills are far more important *to* women than men.
