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09 May 2016, 7:42 am

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It's easier to stop responding to their posts, Boo.


He's not being serious. He's making fun of people who did similar things to him.



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09 May 2016, 7:59 am

It actually sounds like Boofle and FOB really dig each other :P



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09 May 2016, 8:19 am

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Yes, some women, (some men too) reject what your view of "reality" is. That's because you make assumptions as to why reality is this way for you. That includes assumptions about women. I think most people understand and accept that those assumptions are true for some women. But you paint with too broad of a brush and that's where people disagree. You are basically saying that this is reality, and most women are like this, it's fact. They are obviously going to get upset because that isn't how reality is for them. You then try and hide behind what your intentions were or that you didn't claim it was everyone that was like that. Which just furthers the problem. Really, if you just toned it down some, people wouldn't get as upset and wouldn't be as able to twist your words around.


This is a good example of why folks in L&D should stick to talking about individual people and experiences, and avoid generalizations altogether.



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09 May 2016, 8:30 am

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It actually sounds like Boofle and FOB really dig each other :P


not really, no. i'm just very disappointed tbh. this thread was supposed be a dialogue but instead served to illustrate exactly the very thing it was attempting to quash.

i challenged posts that demeaned others. i challenged an "ignore list" of posters (all female, presumably?) that's apparently not only being shared privately between "male members" but also being advertised (unchalleneged, no less!) in public, on thread!

a list like this attacks the posters on the list, not the content of their posts. to my eyes, this makes it a personal attack. it goes against one of the most fundamental rules of this forum.
yet, no remorse is shown. no accountability for the attitude i saw inherent in those posts i quoted. there is no sense of embarrassment or shame at behaving like this. no amount of provocation should result with this type of behaviour and those type of posts imho and if it does, it's time to take a step back and take a break.

instead, what do i get? i get asked to refrain from speaking directly to someone as a "joke post" according to another poster.
this is how lightly my challenge of the posts made, are taken. this is how normalised it is on here that there is actually an "ignore list" circulating and it's being freaking publicised ffs!
instead of taking ownership and answering my actual point, the poster in question deflects with prima donna'esque dramatics of asking to be left alone.

clearly accountability does not apply to All, and for those that have read animal farm, the message is clear...this is a barnyard and "some animals are more equal than others".



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09 May 2016, 8:59 am

I, myself, believe that an "ignore" list is ridiculous.



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09 May 2016, 9:02 am

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Fnord wrote:
It's easier to stop responding to their posts, Boo.


He's not being serious. He's making fun of people who did similar things to him.


You may be surprised.

But this time I am serious! 8O 8O And I am not making fun of the one who did the same to me...and to many others.

The thing is, I have decided to adopt a zero interaction policy with some users (regardless of gender may I say) whom, in my opinion, seek for drama over trivial, little things and give me moral lectures over things which are....trivial (and so what If I call a content in a post nonsense? This is my opinion about the post), and worse of all, accusing me of things which are from their own projections.

Because I am sure they will do it again and again and again, so best solution? is to ignore those users and to ask them to ignore me as well.

And I hope other users who frequently get in arguments with those to do the same.

Until world peace reigns. :angel:



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09 May 2016, 9:19 am

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I, myself, believe that an "ignore" list is ridiculous.


Why? This is simply a manual alternative of the (broken) foe feature.

You may have a different ignore list than mine.



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09 May 2016, 9:27 am

It reminds me too much of when I was a kid.....and the kids put ME on the "ignore list."



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09 May 2016, 9:29 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
I, myself, believe that an "ignore" list is ridiculous.


agreed. the reason it offends me so much is that it's prejudicial. not everyone sharing the "list" will have had run-ins with the people listed and yet they're going to have pre-set notions on what someone is like, ergo instead of judging posts made and taking them on a post-by-post basis, they will be judging the poster. ie, personal attack. whether they have cause to, or not.

a foe list is individualised, whereas a shared "list" like this is essentially ganging up on the people on the list. i see this personally as tantamount to subtle bullying.

ETA - it's funny really but just goes to show, ND or NT, Human Nature will Out. dunno why i expected this place to be more tolerant and inclusionary? i just did.
in a place full of people that have experienced exclusion at some point in time or other... there are those that are actively and shamelessly encouraging the same here.madness 8O

i now firmly believe this isn't a gender issue but an entrenched element in the place that needs polishing, bit like a turd, fruitless endeavor tho that may be.
hardcore moderation and zero tolerance.



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09 May 2016, 9:30 am

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The bigger problem is that it's usually not about the essence of the topic, but the way it's written. It's not easy for aspies to be sensitive, especially on the most sensitive topic.

It seems like there are certain women who take offense to any man expressing anger or frustration over rejection. It doesn't matter what they say. They can't accept any man ever feeling a certain way over rejection. To merely feel a certain way is somehow a dangerous slippery-slope to abuse of women. Yet it is a very primal response to feel frustrated or even wronged when repeatedly rejected.

People can assert that men "aren't entitled" and are wrong to feel this way until they are blue in the face, but people will still feel this way. It's human nature. It's not just men either. There are women who express frustration and anger when they are rejected by a man.

I just don't see how it is sexist or wrong to merely vent frustration. I don't recall Sly ever saying anything remotely violent. I can't even imagine him doing anything, yet some women are still triggered. Maybe there needs to be a separate sub-forum for venting. The people who are sensitive to it don't have to go there.



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09 May 2016, 9:39 am

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It reminds me too much of when I was a kid.....and the kids put ME on the "ignore list."


Oh no no...it's not like that kraftie.

The list was only a suggestion to those who had been continuously in conflict with those on the list or been unfairly accused by those on the list on several occasions, its purpose was to stop the fights that happen between the same users.

But it's just that...a suggestion; everyone can make his/her own list.

Again, it is simply a manual foe feature thing.

And btw, most of them agreed with me on this suggestion.



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09 May 2016, 9:40 am

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It seems like there are certain women who take offense to any man expressing anger or frustration over rejection.


The problem is, again, with generalization. These rants are often of the "why do women do X" variety. It is the generalizing that's offensive. And rants belong in The Haven, anyway.



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09 May 2016, 9:45 am

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The thing is, I have decided to adopt a zero interaction policy with some users (regardless of gender may I say) whom, in my opinion, seek for drama over trivial, little things and give me moral lectures over things which are....trivial (and so what If I call a content in a post nonsense? This is my opinion about the post), and worse of all, accusing me of things which are from their own projections.


As you've just used this "policy" against Boofle, this post is clearly referencing her and is a personal attack.



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09 May 2016, 9:53 am

YippySkippy wrote:
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The thing is, I have decided to adopt a zero interaction policy with some users (regardless of gender may I say) whom, in my opinion, seek for drama over trivial, little things and give me moral lectures over things which are....trivial (and so what If I call a content in a post nonsense? This is my opinion about the post), and worse of all, accusing me of things which are from their own projections.


As you've just used this "policy" against Boofle, this post is clearly referencing her and is a personal attack.



indeed :mrgreen:

but hey, yannow what? i'm a grown up and i rarely get personal so i'm not gonna report. i only ever report spam.

*shock horror* i don't have a foe list, or an "ignore list" either...cos... i believe in acting my age, not my shoe size :roll:



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09 May 2016, 9:56 am

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juicy material this thread, should get my popcorn ready and wait for more



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09 May 2016, 9:58 am

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It seems like there are certain women who take offense to any man expressing anger or frustration over rejection.


The problem is, again, with generalization. These rants are often of the "why do women do X" variety. It is the generalizing that's offensive. And rants belong in The Haven, anyway.


I believe Sly got flack from at least a couple people about things he said in the haven.