any women here who have never dated, never had a boyfriend?

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06 Jan 2017, 2:26 am

If only it was that simple but unfortunately things are not as I imagined when I started my studies because despite the laws considering seducing games at work as sexual harassement it is still here and I am supposed to work on artificial intelligence research project so it is sometimes even hard to remember that humains have more than one gender because this topic is for now not very attractive to female so this is a dilemma because this is what I love so if I want to work on this I will have to handle it.

But anyways I think we all have unfair problem and I saw how hard it is for male autist so I should not be the one complaining so to come back to the main topic it is not that difficult to find female autist in my case here is, as an example, what you can read on wikipedia:

"Certaines femmes Asperger se désintéressent totalement de l'amour et de la vie de couple. Bien qu'il n'existe pas d'étude fiable à ce sujet.."

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Some female Asperger have no interest in love nor couple life. Even if there is no reliable study on this point

And this was confirmed by the two specialists who evaluated me (they wrote recognized french book about Asperger) so in fact this is pretty common


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06 Jan 2017, 2:41 am

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If only it was that simple but unfortunately things are not as I imagined when I started my studies because despite the laws considering seducing games at work as sexual harassement it is still here and I am supposed to work on artificial intelligence research project so it is sometimes even hard to remember that humains have more than one gender because this topic is for now not very attractive to female so this is a dilemma because this is what I love so if I want to work on this I will have to handle it.

But anyways I think we all have unfair problem and I saw how hard it is for male autist so I should not be the one complaining so to come back to the main topic it is not that difficult to find female autist in my case here is, as an example, what you can read on wikipedia:

"Certaines femmes Asperger se désintéressent totalement de l'amour et de la vie de couple. Bien qu'il n'existe pas d'étude fiable à ce sujet.."

And my translation

Some female Asperger have no interest in love nor couple life. Even if there is no reliable study on this point

And this was confirmed by the two specialists who evaluated me (they wrote recognized french book about Asperger) so in fact this is pretty common


Excuse my worldly ignorance (silly American here) but it seems like the culture in which you live in would be particularly tough. Living in the city of love. Is it dumb to make that assumption?


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06 Jan 2017, 3:11 am

I would not say that it is very tough because this is not like there were intolerant at all or something. The main difference between France and what I would call "progressive society" like you have in San Francisco for example is that every difference is taken seriously and people who share those difference will create community like this website and make themselves been heard. For example my "other community", asexual they knows they exist and even if they are not a lot they created signs, flags, they go to the gay pride and everything and because people are "progressive active" they more or less accepted them and made them a place in a society. Everyone can be whatever it wants and have its place. In France people do not think this way they are more retained they will wait for the recognize of the science, the media, the law and the social opignon so as I said no one believe I am asexual because it is not "recognized" in France in a way that no one spoke about it no article on newspaper or anything. I know I am not explaining well but it is complicated but to make it simple if you are something "validated as existant in the public opignon" like gay or boudist for example people will be very tolerant in a way they will not event mention you as gay or boudist they will not care this is your personal matter no problem and everything (for example from what I can see in te USA people especially in media they tell te public if they are gay and maybe speak about it in France it is not the case if they are asked they will tell but if not they will not hide their boyfriend but will not show the hole country) but if you tell everyone you are part of something which has not already been approved by the opignon the media and everything people will think you are crazy and will not believe you just like they do with my asexuality which is for them something I invented because I would be afraid of sex.
Hope it is clear but to the main idea is American are hot blood they will accept fast and claim it and French are cold blood they will be suspicious but when they finally accept it they will not look at you as different and this explains why we are always late with social progress


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06 Jan 2017, 5:05 am

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Hello everyone,

First of all please forgive my terrible English but I am French so I guess this constitue a valid excuse. Sorry I did not read the all topic just to explain shortly it is currently 5am in Paris and I am coding like everyday and I wanted to take a break so I decided to come see how the forum about Asperger look like (I am used to forums but never went on Asperger's) and I found this topics and it looks like you want to heard story about desperate over-20 women (just kidding)

So I guess I am mentally tired enough to share mine.

I was born on August 15th 1994 so I am now 22 and I am pretty extreme in my love experience:
-Never had a boyfriend
-Never had any kind of sexual experience
-Never kissed a boy nor a girl (single kiss not even talking about the famous french kiss)

But maybe my experience does not really fit what you are expecting here but maybe it could be useful to someone. To be clear I do not want a boyfriend or any sexual experience because it is pointless to me I do not regret to miss this important part (at least for others) of the humain life. But I guess this is pretty commun for autistic girl if I refer to what they told me at the hospital where they tested me, the French Wikipedia article about Asperger and in addition, since I think of me of an asexual girl I read sometime the Aven forum posts (forum for asexual) and a large part of girls there are Aspergers too (large comparing to the hole population of couse).

But this does not mean my romantical life is that simple because first of all I am not aromantic so I can sometime experience a romantical attraction to some boy but fortunately for me I am pretty good to think rationally and understand that the way I live and what I expect in life is incompatible with the fact of having a boyfriend.

The worst part for me is that as a computer scientist fund of things like videogames or fencing I almost see no girls in my life and the boys around me are not as rational as me plus I do not know why despite the fact I do not generally speak to a lot to them I have a lot of success with male the two theories are it is becase male usually love mysterious "inaccessible" woman or maybe just because they like the way I look (sorry to be that arrogant but the society usually consider me as a non-ugly girl). It as been like that for almost ten years because at 12 I looked like 15 so there were boys following me in the streets to try to have my phone number and every of those unpleasant things a lot of women knows about and I never succeed to manage it. Most of the time I cannot believe guys could find any interest in me so even with the warning of other people I am always sure it is just friendship until they say "I love you" (yeah I know this is pretty serious) and to me it is the most terrifying thing I know. To make you understand the "I love you" sentence came out 5 times in 2 years so I never had a rest. Each time I repeated the same mistake with another boy promising me "I know you had a hard time with the other guy but you can trust me we will just be friends" and each time this ended up in chaos (real chaos me trying to say no him misunderstanding sometimes they touched me in a way I did not agree with and each time I succeed to escape at the very last moment but he usually complained to everyone saying that my only goal is to break men's heart and they are now sure I just want to be the center of attention). Funny. Because the only thing I want is disappear. But after four years like that I was very bad I was sick of this because to me they are just traitors because they all promised they were just seeking friendship. But anyways everyone including my parents think I am the one who is wrong because "this is obvious they are just boys after all" and I am tired of all of this because to me this is just an expression of sexism because NO ONE wants to believe me when I say I do no want a boyfriends because to them a woman NEEDS a man an WANTS a man and they are stuck in their very own vision of happiness (which is of course the couple) and refuse to understand that I will not have sexual experience because I do not feel any envy (most of the people teaching me those lessons did not experience homosexual sex but they are telling me that I HAVE TO TRY. What a joke)

To conclude because I has been an hour since I started writing, now I am avoiding contacts with men and stopped to try to make friends in general because I fear everyone. I have a derogation of my university because of my autism allowing me to work from home and all alone.

This is it, this text is absolutely pointless I do not seek anything and I think it will be quickly lost in the internet ocean but for those who where seeking experiences like mine maybe they will find it interesting and if it is not the case at least I did my break.

Maybe I will pass by later to respond if there is some reactions

Farewell

Best from Paris


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Certaines femmes Asperger se désintéressent totalement de l'amour et de la vie de couple55. Bien qu'il n'existe pas d'étude fiable à ce sujet, il est possible que les Asperger aient plus souvent une préférence pour les relations homosexuellesHen 7 que les personnes neurotypiques.



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06 Jan 2017, 8:50 am

Oui exactement bon évidemment ici c'est simplement une phrase simple mais lorsque je me suis faite tester (une première fois chez un psychothérapeute puis à l'hôpital comme le veux la procédure pour adulte en France) quand j'ai dit que je préférais vivre seule et ne rien experimenter cela a amené beaucoup de questions de mes interlocuteurs et je ne pense pas que ca soit un hasard


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06 Jan 2017, 7:51 pm

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If only it was that simple but unfortunately things are not as I imagined when I started my studies because despite the laws considering seducing games at work as sexual harassement it is still here and I am supposed to work on artificial intelligence research project
What kind of artificial intelligence research project? :)


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06 Jan 2017, 10:35 pm

Not as good as I want but I am still a student so I have to take what they asked me for example the last one I worked on was a program determining precisely the percentage of each minerals on geological picture for a geological laboratory in Argentina. They asked me this because one of my best ability is working with neuronal networks and they thought it will be a good approach for this project which was in stand by for a long time but finally I did not even used it I found it easier to use a kind of 2D graph and treat pixel as an amount of data from which I used statistic-selecting algorithm to have just the info allowing me to make the good transition in my graph so finally it was not that cool sorry to disappoint you and in addition I could not even make the hole thing learning minerals by itself because they did not gave me enough time... But it was my first official project and they agree to let me work alone and the results were beyond all my hopes so even if it is what I am hoping to do all my life I really enjoyed.
I also did very little things like a program able to understand a very very simple text and answer basic question but this was for students when I worked for one of my teacher who asked me to be creative and find an amusing way to use mind maps.
Sorry I cannot enter in the details (plus I think my contracts forbid me to do so) but this is the kind of things you can do when you are only undergraduate


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06 Jan 2017, 10:52 pm

Wow! I'm impressed. Just think what you'll be able to do when you're a grad student.


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06 Jan 2017, 11:03 pm

Well it may be possible that the world ends first because I am only in the middle since I am doing two degrees at the same time (one engineer in electronic-computing science and a master in algorithm/ai) I got 6 years to do plus at least (depending of the money you get) 3 year of doctorate but with the world financial problems it is more like 4 or 5 currently and after that a lot of researchers have to do like 3 to 5 years of post doctorate which is just like being a doctorate student so the path is very very long and I only did 4.5 years so it is not for tomorrow


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07 Jan 2017, 12:22 am

Wow! You're a genius!! !


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07 Jan 2017, 1:04 am

Well if only it could be true but according to my parents I am more a girl taking all their money to have fun doing useless things on a computer so I guess they have another perception plus you have no real proof showing that what I did is that hard so trust me this is not the serious ai game just now because if we forget about money ai is very popular and a lot of people want to be part of it and there is a lot of real genius I will have to deal with. But at least it is stimulating I wish everyone could enjoy their job as I do


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07 Jan 2017, 1:52 am

Ok lol. Well, your IT skills are far in advance of mine and one day you may be getting paid for your work. In the meantime, you're lucky to have parents are willing and able to fund your interests.


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07 Jan 2017, 2:38 am

I am not sure it is really their will but whatever for sure I am lucky it is very hard to go through research path you need to pay years after years and international sometimes it is very hard for someone without a strong financial support to complete all this years and we have to live with almost anything since it is not my money I cannot afford buying things like videogames and in addition we cannot count on the states to pay the computers, the servers I need so my teenage room is now full of very old computers used as ftp server which I make my real pc believe they are ssd on which I installed lost of my programs because visual studio takes everything from my poor little pc. This is not good we cannot work with that each time there is no internet connection I cannot use my softwares and in some country they even have to pay licenses for things like visual studio and after all of this if you decide not to sell your soul to devil and work in public university you are well paid of course comparing to the global population but less than an ingeneer so I am not complaining for myself I do not need much but I cannot forget that I am probably taking the place of someone more skilled but who cannot afford this kind of life and it is not so fair


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07 Jan 2017, 4:00 am

Your resourcefulness and capacity for self-sacrifice are remarkable. Why would your internet connection go down? Are you sure you wouldn't prefer to work for a corporation as a software engineer and get a higher salary?


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07 Jan 2017, 4:36 am

The problem is my house is quite old and there is a lot of iron in here so it is impossible to make a good connection between the fiber and the server room under the roof (4th floor) so sometimes it crash at a critical moment.

The problem with big companies is ethical I think ai is the most powerful today's weapon at least in an economical point of view and the way those companies use it is terrible they steal money on financial market or track people to sell personal data. This is the only reason they want ai so badly because collecting data is very easy especially if your name is google facebook or amazon for example but this worth nothing if you cannot interpret them because they will be bought to create needs for people. For now we use analytic algorithms like statistic analyse genetic algorithm and some others coming from maths but nothing can understand better humain brain than a copy, faster (there is billions of billions) and cheaper. To me this is very agressive and I do not see the progress here. I love ai and my dream is trying to have an artificial brain capable of thinking of subjective things like beauty or humor. I find it amazing to try that is why I am here doing this and not to steal the placement some poor people made with their life money save or manipulate them to force them to buy a chimical shaving cream or an awful plastic donut.

I know I sound like a miss universe but what they call ai algo is nothing more than a thief to me so I do not want to have anything to do with this I prefer staying poor hoping that some day people will realize the need of an independant research and finance a little more.

The world is bad enough I will not make it worst


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07 Jan 2017, 4:49 am

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The problem is my house is quite old and there is a lot of iron in here so it is impossible to make a good connection between the fiber and the server room under the roof (4th floor) so sometimes it crash at a critical moment.
You think you have problems? In my primitive country we don't even have fibre. We have to make do with ADSL2+ or in my case, fixed wireless.


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