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05 Apr 2019, 1:21 pm

Yeah, it seems only fair to everyone that I should be addressing our miscommunications.

I'm still totally unclear on how to do this. :(


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05 Apr 2019, 3:04 pm

Sign language and miming is still a sort of conversation so that's not something I would enjoy. I was thinking about flirting with eye contact and later using direct mind-to-mind communication. It's when you notice you can communicate without words that you know you found a potential partner.



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05 Apr 2019, 4:46 pm

Well my focus is towards some better ways of introducing the subject of neurological troubles in a direct conversation. I want to be more honest & candid about our differences so we can find more common ground, but I need help regarding how to start this exchange.


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05 Apr 2019, 11:22 pm

It's another Friday night doing nothing though. I did at least get some usable code figured out. :bounce:


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05 Apr 2019, 11:41 pm

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Well my focus is towards some better ways of introducing the subject of neurological troubles in a direct conversation. I want to be more honest & candid about our differences so we can find more common ground, but I need help regarding how to start this exchange.


You shouldn't force it. From what I've seen of your posts, you are a bit intense with this stuff. I get it. I've been there. Still am there, to an extent. But most people don't respond too well if you spill your noodles all out at once. Start with it slowly. Maybe mention something here and there IF IT IS RELEVANT. Don't just unload on anyone. Like say mental health, or general well-being comes up. Then feel free to say something, just not too much. If they want to know more they will more likely than not ask.

This is just how I've found things to be, though. My opinion is by no means gospel lol. And it's really only a good way to start. If a relationship seems to be blooming, it might be time to bring a bit more up. Because you also don't want to leave them blind-sighted with problems they had no clue existed. Find a balance. Easier said than done, but it's also a bit easier to find when the right times are when you are in the moment. I can't tell you when the right time will be, you have to feel that for yourself. If you get what I mean?

I wish you luck, though!



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05 Apr 2019, 11:48 pm

I'm well aware this kind of thing takes a lot of time, partly because I'm guilty of the above but mostly because the preconditions of being a savant hacker with almost no social life. Considering my isolated background, my social mistakes at least make a decent amount of sense with any context whatsoever.

I guess I'm trying to start by addressing our shared mistakes, as it were. :lol: Everyone can enjoy reminiscent talks of our most entertaining bad decisions.


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05 Apr 2019, 11:49 pm

Sorry for the off topic comment, but your avatar reminds me of Blix from Legend. Except for the ears.


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05 Apr 2019, 11:54 pm

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Part of all these technical disciplines for me is expecting myself to absorb all the necessary info before I even realize I'm done studying. I'm trying to avoid applying my absurd standards to loved ones.


That's an issue for me too. Then I realised our subconscious mind has far more power to absorb info than we give it credit for. Now I look at 'cramming' in a totally different way. :mrgreen:


You naughty...


As you can all see, this is a very iterative process.

These aren't even the posts I was thinking of, they're just relevant. Whomever said I get distracted expecting my love life to make sense was spot on.


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06 Apr 2019, 12:03 am

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I'm well aware this kind of thing takes a lot of time, partly because I'm guilty of the above but mostly because the preconditions of being a savant hacker with almost no social life. Considering my isolated background, my social mistakes at least make a decent amount of sense with any context whatsoever.

I guess I'm trying to start by addressing our shared mistakes, as it were. :lol: Everyone can enjoy reminiscent talks of our most entertaining bad decisions.


I agree, and it definitely sounds like it shouldn't be problematic at all, at least to me. Again, I hope you have some luck!

I've personally had to learn the hard way to be a bit more careful, unfortunately. I've struggled a lot with finding balance in how I share things. One of the first I shared too little. And then I would share too much... and then last year I did both at the same time, somehow. I shared too much of the wrong things I guess? It's maddening. I don't think I'm going to have luck with anyone other than other Aspies who might be able to empathize with the struggle. But how in the hell do you find people that are just as reclusive as oneself? :skull:



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06 Apr 2019, 12:13 am

They found me, insofar as I can remember them acquainting with me in between our intermittent partying. I gave up labeling people by neurology years ago, diagnosing me correctly would be near impossible & I don't really believe in a scientific definition of sanity anyway.


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06 Apr 2019, 12:19 am

Well I applaud you for going to parties, heh. You are a braver soul than I. I try to avoid crowds, I seem to get instant headaches and an overwhelming sense of adrenaline. rip.

And I guess so. I just find labels easier for finding people who are like-minded. Of course none will necessarily "define" you, or describe your systems 100%. But it's nice to have a blanket term.



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06 Apr 2019, 12:57 am

I'm more comfortable with adrenaline buzzes than I am without. I think that's part of why I'm on here digging around for ways to relax everybody, inevitably beginning with myself.


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11 Apr 2019, 6:56 pm

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Cberg - are you looking to come up with ways to bring up the subject of ASD?

I think typically you can start most conversations by asking questions about the other person and their life. People do tend to like to talk about themselves.


I need to get better at this, yes. I'm wondering if there are things about people in general that fit the patterns of ASD as well.


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12 Apr 2019, 1:46 am

I'm not sure if there is a real good way to bring it up. It's a lot easier to have someone ask you questions about ASD than to just start talking about how you function. A person would think that if they would ask you about it, if they care for you in an attempt to understand better. But I suppose that other people would also struggle with not knowing how to bring the subject up and maybe worry about offending us.

I had someone comment to me once about how they always had to say hi to me first. First I apologized and told them it wasn't personal, but then I elaborated that it was of a part of my Aspergers. (since then I've tried to make an effort to say hi when I see them). That was an opportunity to talk about it that sort of just fell in my lap... But maybe there are other instances like that have gone by that haven't been noticed. So keeping yourself aware for something like that, you could make an easy transition into talking about it.

I don't know how to bring up a lot of things to people either x.x

I can't think of anything in general that would be like ASD that isn't vague, or situation oriented. At least not at the moment.


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17 Apr 2019, 5:45 pm

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I'm not sure if there is a real good way to bring it up. It's a lot easier to have someone ask you questions about ASD than to just start talking about how you function. A person would think that if they would ask you about it, if they care for you in an attempt to understand better. But I suppose that other people would also struggle with not knowing how to bring the subject up and maybe worry about offending us.

I had someone comment to me once about how they always had to say hi to me first. First I apologized and told them it wasn't personal, but then I elaborated that it was of a part of my Aspergers. (since then I've tried to make an effort to say hi when I see them). That was an opportunity to talk about it that sort of just fell in my lap... But maybe there are other instances like that have gone by that haven't been noticed. So keeping yourself aware for something like that, you could make an easy transition into talking about it.

I don't know how to bring up a lot of things to people either x.x


I can't think of anything in general that would be like ASD that isn't vague, or situation oriented. At least not at the moment.


So much of this is also dependent on culture. In our Western Anglo-Saxon world, small talk and constant smiling seem to be more necessary for the fabric of society to hold together. This is not the case in a lot of other places.

You ever watch those movies where one friend calls up another and begins their call with, "So I was doing [A, B, C] this morning and I thought to myself [X, Y, Z]. Like, what do you think of that?" And their friend just talks to them as if they were in the middle of a conversation. No hello, no what are you doing, just down-to-earth convo. I really don't understand why life can't be like that in reality. What's stopping us? :?


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18 Apr 2019, 1:07 pm

Nothing. I'm always like that with neurodiverse people. Also works with neurotypical people even if they find it a bit weird. They get used to it though. The only category it doesn't work well with is neurotypical strangers, but then who cares about that category?