Blog post on the epidemic of forced celibacy in males

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as the metadata conclusions found, those are definitely issues that should be addressed when a government contemplates legalization.

a few points the meta-study doesn't address:

-customer drive - not all customers want legal prostitutes - some want cheaper, younger, illegal foreign. the increase in legal prostitution means an increase in illegal prostitution, partly because the trade becomes acceptable and normalized and 'okay' to society.

-the legalization does not support the women who need to do the job because of desperation and drug use. women who are runaways and addicts have no options at all under the legal system - they are not allowed to work if underage or noticed to be drug users so their work would still be criminal, and there is no additional support system to help those women get off the streets. it is just not addressed, so become remain criminals under either a legalized or illegal system.

-psychological services are not provided, nor does the study address that option. considering that 80 to 90% of prostitutes have been sexually abused prior to working in the sex trade, this points to a great need. there are also long term negative psychological consequences to working in the trade, which points to the fact it is not emotionally or sexually healthy for most women to be doing it at all. since the study you present does not address this, it points to the very real likelihood that the actual psychological impact on women is not under consideration.

-men bring the diseases to the women, but there is no requirement for men to be disease-free (the study does not address that). a condom can help, but it is not fool-proof, and women who get non-curable diseases cannot continue to work in the industry. so they either work illegally or have no options left. a person who gets a cat from the SPCA in my city must prove they would provide a good home, and for their part the agency proves the cat is healthy. in the promotion of the sex trade as a commodity, the onus is only on the service providers to provide evidence of good health, but the customers bring their own risks and that problem is not addressed.


the study notes that some countries understand it is an act of violence against women. this is exactly what i am trying to say. the long-term effects on women are swept under the rug so that men can have the sex they think they need.

you don't have to internalize your anger and resentment. you could instead choose to fix your situation, which could end all possibility of resentful feelings. therapy also helps, and if it doesn't work for the first 20 sessions, try another 20. or 200. or get a new therapist.

but as long you just hope or pray for society to change to accommodate you, or as long as you wish that your situation could change without any action on your part... your resentment isn't going anywhere. it's great you aren't acting outwardly, but Sodini was a lot older and had 20 to 30 years of anger on you. if you can truly empathize with his anger and resentment, then you should seek assistance with working through those feelings. clearly you have the power of self-understanding that he did not possess, but nothing can change for the better inside yourself unless you take action.

Yes, it seems like the countries that have attempted legalization/decriminalization haven't taken a comprehensive approach to reforming all laws associated with prostitution, in order to effectively address "customer drive." (Also, there's no evidence to support your idea that an increase in demand for deviant prostitution is related to social acceptance of legalized prostitution.)


Look, I'm loathe to get into this conversation at all, but the idea that addiction and/or abuse "forces" women into prostitution really bugs the crap out of me. It also trivializes all the women that have suffered through both and have never turned to prostitution. There are always choices to be made...there are exponentially more women who have struggled with addiction and abuse than there are prostitutes. So what if the "prostitution tax" went to helping addicted and abused women?


I agree with these points. Again, I don't think a country has taken a comprehensive approach to how prostitution should be structured in order to be fair to the sex workers. With regulation, insurance, taxes, etc., sex workers would be able to receive the benefits anyone who does a dangerous job is eligible to receive - including disability and retirement. And yes, I would expect men to be tested prior to any activity taking place, and protection would not be optional.


I know you believe prostitution is an act of violence against women, but I don't. A woman's body is hers to do with as she pleases - except of course, if she wants to rent it out for an hour, or terminate a pregnancy. Then her body apparently belongs to the legislative bodies of the world. I think there are conditions that can be created to insure that sex workers would be given the same benefits, the same security, the same safety, and the same respect as people working in other industries.

true. that is my opinion. why do you think that illegal prostitution rises along with legalized?


sure, that would be great to have such a tax. what i am getting at is that women who did turn to prostitution out of desperation are not addressed by changing the laws. i didn't say that all female addicts turn to prostitution (i highlighted what i said in bold), i am speaking of those women who have done so for that reason. and not everybody has a choice about being a sex worker.


i am pro-choice, actually. i don't lump my beliefs about one item along with my beliefs about another item.

yes, the idea of it being a violent act is not at all universal. it was an idea i learned in a women's studies class in university, and it is informed by the experiences of some women very close to me. it is possible that i could change my feeling about the sex trade someday if there were future studies that demonstrated all of these things:

-there is a positive societal benefit in terms of reduced crime in related industries
-women engaged in the sex trade have an equal level of health care (and an equal expected lifespan) to non-workers
-illegal sex trade is reduced significantly
-viable and sustainable protections are in place to prevent human trafficking
-both customers and workers are disease-free, and are required to use protection
-women have access to special psychological and social services tailored to sex trade workers
-workers are kept safe and secure at work, with reasonably priced protections if the women are considered self-employed
-women are given the choice of being employed by agencies, with the protection such a relationship can offer, such as employment insurance, sick pay, and wage loss insurance, and worker's compensation (WCB) available for work-related injuries such as rectal prolapse
-career transitions and/or and retraining for new trades is offered on exit
-AND... long-term studies demonstrate that the women are psychologically/mentally/physically okay after leaving the trade

it's a long list, and i don't see it happening in my lifetime. please note that the non-sexual items in the list are things that most of us can enjoy in our jobs. agencies and brothels avoid having to provide these things by calling women independent contractors, even though pimps are still quite active in the legal sex trade. in a healthy system some women might appreciate the independence, whereas others may like the security of fair employment.

George can feel as resentful as he wants. However, he doesn't have the right to express his resentment in a manner destructive to others. His right to swing his fist ends where my nose begins.

If he wants to feel resentful at not getting what he was never enititled to in the first place, then that's his choice, but IMHO, it suggests an overall lack of critical thinking skills. People can and do find ways to channel unhealthy emotions. Personally, there's a limit to the amount of d!ckhead behavior I'm going to tolerate from someone regardless of how much "pain" they're in.

I also have resentment due to having sex too late in life, its done me no good to have it now, since I've had to fight for it. Also, it doesn't help me to get sex now, due to my downtrodden personal growth, which, in all actuality was created by others, mostly by my family who have not helped me. They've known for over 8 years about what I want, but nothing. Ya can't count on anybody these days, selfish people and it makes me want to be violently sick. For all that, my resentment is justified.

Sitting on your ass as a government mule isn't healthy either...

Part of the psych issues sex trade workers have to deal with is that they have to overcome their unattraction to certain men.

There is always spillover from anything that is legal and can be abused. Most of the opiate addicts are hooked on legal painkillers that get diverted.

How would you suggest I find a place that's safe, then? Rejection is one thing, but I don't want to be horribly abused on top of that...

Are you really as asexual as you claim or is it just "I'll lower my asking price so someone will buy" ?

If I had to pick one of the two, i'd say my situation is closer to the latter. I am by no means asexual. But i've also seen what sex does to relationships (particularly how it destroys them), so i have to suppress my sexuality to get what i want. A necessary sacrifice, but one I can pull off, because, well, i can "pull one off"...

If I am to have sex, i'd rather it be based on a deep emotional foundation that can actually support it. Every engineer knows that a crappy foundation leads to a ruined structure on top of it...

i can totally respect that perspective.

Correct. But your rights and and his lack of right to harm you are of little consolation when he simply does so. So how to successfully refuse to tolerate someone firing an automatic weapon at you?

Be Neo?

Fight Crime, Shoot back!

Maybe these guys should blame their parents for passing on their bad genetics making him so unattractive or for bad parenting not passing on proper social skills to him. I am fat, ugly and autistic even I had several oppertunities for sex that I decline because I do not want to be touched or touch someone.

Read the chapters "the Rise of Sex Crime" and "Serial Killers" from "The Mammoth Book of the History of Murder", edited by Colin Wilson. The book has a vast bibliography of reputable sources. Also read "Dark Dreams" by Roy Hazelwood and Stephen Michaud. Hazelwood was an FBI agent who worked on sex-crime cases. They're as well-informed as anybody... I, uh, I think.

Plus, just look at these types of crimes in the second half of the twentieth century and who the victims mostly were: people the killers were attracted to.

I'm not interested in a pissing contest, either. And you were the one to bring up analogies. I was just asking a question, which you nervously evaded when I tried to get you to answer it. What are you afraid of? That you would unequivocally say "yes", and then rationalize the hell out of it, even if killing snakes was against your religion?



You're a fat man preaching the evils of gluttony to a bunch of people starving to death. I tend to think that women who take many lovers but reject many men who court them are either unaware of the impact, don't care, or enjoy degrading men. I think it has everything to do with putting one's own desires above other people's and not caring about the negative impact on others.





Oh, no one's entitled to sex. And no one's entitled to safety, either.

Wait a minute, are you saying that having sex with a man for you is like getting eaten alive by a lion?




We'd see what a loony ass-tard you'd be if women like Hyperlexian had succeeded in getting rid of prostitution.




If he was caught alive, I think he should have gotten the death penalty. What about you?




How much were you an hour? I know, I couldn't have afforded you.


You ladies seem incapable of understanding that sexual rejection to most men is like saying they're not worthy as people. Growing from that ignorance is your



heart-breaking disdain and hostility for a condition truly more painful than you have imagined. What's a few pity f*cks to possibly save a few more lives?