As a guy ~
Yeah, I'm only trying to open the dialog with very close friends. I think I need to come up with some way of encouraging them to ask direct questions instead of letting miscommunications build on each other.
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Alita wrote:
So much of this is also dependent on culture. In our Western Anglo-Saxon world, small talk and constant smiling seem to be more necessary for the fabric of society to hold together. This is not the case in a lot of other places.
You ever watch those movies where one friend calls up another and begins their call with, "So I was doing [A, B, C] this morning and I thought to myself [X, Y, Z]. Like, what do you think of that?" And their friend just talks to them as if they were in the middle of a conversation. No hello, no what are you doing, just down-to-earth convo. I really don't understand why life can't be like that in reality. What's stopping us?
You ever watch those movies where one friend calls up another and begins their call with, "So I was doing [A, B, C] this morning and I thought to myself [X, Y, Z]. Like, what do you think of that?" And their friend just talks to them as if they were in the middle of a conversation. No hello, no what are you doing, just down-to-earth convo. I really don't understand why life can't be like that in reality. What's stopping us?
I actually will do that with the few people I will communicate online with. I might say hi first but then I tend to just get right in what I'm wanting to talk about. Once upon I time I did this with quite a few people, numbers have dwindled to also not being often at all.
I have noticed that the small talk and smiling stuff seems to be pretty ingrained in the USA. If you don't do those things people tend to say things like "would it kill you to smile?" I also have a friend who is often thought to be angry because she isn't a big on the smiles. I've trained myself a little to pass along smiles here and there as well as some small talk...but ugh it is just a pain. I rather be in silence lol The whole of it has always felt rather superficial and kind of fake too. Like I kind of dobt they REALLY care how I'm doing, it's just a pleasantry. But I can't tell when it it's sincere and when it isn't so how am I to know how I should answer?!
Anyway cberg is trying to talk more with already friends so I would think they would have some familiarity with how he conversationally operates. At least to know how the chit-chat and smile stuff goes.
cberg, what about trying to get everyone to watch a movie about Autism? Or one with ASD characters? Maybe that would help open the door for discussion? Maybe i'd be easier for them to ask questions about the characters vs just them going "hey cberg why do you X?"
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Having put some thought into the movie idea, I have no idea how I could introduce the concept without feeling intrusive. I can crack some jokes about it but that's as far as conversation about my screwball brain ever usually goes.
I suppose my friends notice characters like that all over the place, I just don't know though. ![]()
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sly279 wrote:
Most women here expect risky hobbies and do them themselves.
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I don’t take much risk or do many dangerous things and so I’m called boring and lame by women, including here.
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People fight with real swords and could be cut etc. they wear protection clothing but it’s srill risky and dangerous. So is just riding a motorcycle.
Most people take risks I wouldn’t do. Both men and women.
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I don’t take much risk or do many dangerous things and so I’m called boring and lame by women, including here.
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People fight with real swords and could be cut etc. they wear protection clothing but it’s srill risky and dangerous. So is just riding a motorcycle.
Most people take risks I wouldn’t do. Both men and women.
Sounds like cberg needs to move to where you are to find compatible women, whereas you need to move somewhere else to find compatible women. There are plenty of places where most women WOULDN'T consider you "boring and lame" for not being an adrenaline junkie.
I understand, alas, that you are pretty much stuck where you are right now, given your financial situation. I can only hope that we someday have a much better-developed autistic community than we have now, which could have ways to help people move and find new jobs and living situations.
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cberg wrote:
What I'm trying to point out is that sexism is just as damaging towards males as feminists have felt about it themselves.
I don't think that's true for men in general, but I think it is true for specific non-mainstream categories of men, such as autistic men. For more mainstream men, I think there really is such a thing as male privilege that most of them benefit from, at least to some degree.
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cberg wrote:
I tend to think the right people found me; a lot of this is about my own shyness in response to culture as a whole. [...] I'm not ruling out meeting someone new but how they would understand my perspective is beyond me. In my experience that really takes time.
Mainstream mass culture is excruciatingly superficial. If that's what you're objecting to regarding "culture as a whole," I agree. IMO, non-superficiality can best be found in groups with a strong sense of identity that is separate, to least some degree, from mainstream culture.
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karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
That's been my experience anyway, that I tend to "click" or connect with people much more rarely than those around me, and the people I tend to click with are usually--for lack of a better term--spectrumy. Not always, but more often than not I would say in hindsight the people I tend to connect with are different in some way that makes them rare.
This has been my experience too.
karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
I believe that's at least a component of the social issues many of us have--how comparatively small our community is. I don't want to be simplistic and say it's all about odds, but I think that is a part of it.
I agree.
I've noticed that the men who complain the most on WP tend to live in rural areas, where the odds are indeed against them, both because of the male-female ratio in rural areas and, even more importantly, because there are fewer people in rural areas to begin with.
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sly279 wrote:
Soulmates are a made up idea by marketing team.
Only humans who have value are datable those who aren’t spend their lives alone until they die only being used for services.
Only humans who have value are datable those who aren’t spend their lives alone until they die only being used for services.
People don't exist on some absolute, linear scale of "value." What's valuable to one person might not be valuable to another. It is better to think more in terms of mutual compatibility than absolute "value."
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rdos wrote:
I don't think it is a good idea to seek partners based on similar interests, which includes geeky interests. It's so much better to create shared interests with somebody you like a lot, or even better, have a crush on.
With this I totally disagree. There needs to be more to a relationship than JUST shared interests, but, for me, shared interests have always been an absolutely essential starting point.
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cberg wrote:
Alita wrote:
I'm sad regarding the common impulse that we all need to add something to ourselves to be socially acceptable.
I don't really need much more than honest conversation from anyone in my life.
I don't really need much more than honest conversation from anyone in my life.
Agreed, instead of having to "add something to ourselves to be socially acceptable," it is much better to find the one-in-a-million people who are comfortable with our real selves. Alas the odds of finding such rare people are against you if you live out in the country where there are so few people to begin with. Perhaps you might consider moving to a more populated area for a while, then move out to the country later, after you find a compatible person willing to live with you?
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cberg wrote:
Well a lot of people have been telling me being smart means I'll be avoided by more or less everyone.
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It's almost like being nerdy automatically makes me unattractive.
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It's almost like being nerdy automatically makes me unattractive.
There certainly exist smart/nerdy women who appreciate an intellectual peer. I, for one, have always sought intellectual peers.
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sly279 wrote:
Most people see me as subhuman as I didn’t live up to societies demands. I’m not middle class, I don’t make good money, I can’t own a car, I’m not a real man
If at all possible you need to live someplace where not having a car doesn't matter. Alas that probably rules out most of the U.S.A. Is there any chance you could convince your parents to move to one of the NYC suburbs within easy walking distance of good public transportation?
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kraftiekortie wrote:
LOL...Kraftiekortie didn't say that!
Fixed the quote. Sorry about that!
kraftiekortie wrote:
Sly lives in Oregon, in a suburb of a medium-sized college city.
Do you know what the public transportation is like there?
In any case, Sly has also said he lives in a place where he feels under pressure to engage in physically risky activities. That's another reason why he needs to move away, if at all possible.
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