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22 Jul 2024, 10:32 pm

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men socially speaking have to come to women to shoot their shot.


What does this mean?

If you're referring to sex, can't they shoot their shot alone or with other men?
If you're referring to reproduction, don't women have to "come to men" too?

Women don't always pick their men.
Sometimes men become obsessed with women / girls and won't leave them the F alone.

SA included.


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22 Jul 2024, 10:34 pm

IsabellaLinton wrote:
I can't find the logic this conversation (or the OP, but that's another matter ...)

They're complaining that women are successful and independent even though they admit they themselves are anxious or even boring homebodies, and that they want partners who are opposite or complementary to them.

Non sequitur. ^

They're also saying women are flocking toward dangerous felons so they can be kept and provide "easy" intercourse, but women work in airconditioned offices because they're not risk-takers.

These men are envious of situations where women are in relationships against their will, but they themselves are too scared to ask women on dates because it might hurt their own feelings.

The common denominator seems to be that they have low regard for women whether they're successful or not, but at the same time they desperately seek these people to be part of their lives.

If someone could clarify I'd be most grateful.


I will try to clarify, but I tend to see things differently than most men. Well, here goes my interpretation as a spectator to this situation:

The men mentioned above want everything at their advantage in the battle of the sexes. But, they fail to see that it is impossible to do so. Women have evolved to a higher independence over time (a good thing), while some men have become more dependent (a bad thing in their eyes) to others. In the past, women tended to be forced into dependence upon men. They want the paths currently to reverse back to the previous ones, but that is just not going to happen. Rather than try to improve themselves with things such as education, they want to macho their way out of their situation. They have painted themselves into a corner of their own design, yet want to blame women for their problems. I do not have an easy fix for this issue.

FYI - I may be wrong in this interpretation. This is what I understand from my position as someone who chooses to be voluntary celibate. (I do not have the skills to play in the gene pool game. That is something I have known for a very long time.)



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22 Jul 2024, 10:34 pm

IsabellaLinton wrote:
Don't fool yourself TP.
They haven't read or believed anything we've said about the dangers for women.
It doesn't fit with their worldview.


I'm aware of it. I didn't acknowledge it because I don't disagree. At the same time I think it's an overused talking point. And yes we do have different world views. Which goes to another question: How can there be equally to different world views?


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22 Jul 2024, 10:37 pm

Graves Knight wrote:
IsabellaLinton wrote:
Don't fool yourself TP.
They haven't read or believed anything we've said about the dangers for women.
It doesn't fit with their worldview.


I'm aware of it. I didn't acknowledge it because I don't disagree. At the same time I think it's an overused talking point. And yes we do have different world views. Which goes to another question: How can their be equally to different world views?

What do you mean by it’s “an overused talking point?”

Men and women are equal. Society is not. It’s why fighting for rights is so important.


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22 Jul 2024, 10:39 pm

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IsabellaLinton wrote:
I can't find the logic this conversation (or the OP, but that's another matter ...)

They're complaining that women are successful and independent even though they admit they themselves are anxious or even boring homebodies, and that they want partners who are opposite or complementary to them.

Non sequitur. ^

They're also saying women are flocking toward dangerous felons so they can be kept and provide "easy" intercourse, but women work in airconditioned offices because they're not risk-takers.

These men are envious of situations where women are in relationships against their will, but they themselves are too scared to ask women on dates because it might hurt their own feelings.

The common denominator seems to be that they have low regard for women whether they're successful or not, but at the same time they desperately seek these people to be part of their lives.

If someone could clarify I'd be most grateful.


I will try to clarify, but I tend to see things differently than most men. Well, here goes my interpretation as a spectator to this situation:

The men mentioned above want everything at their advantage in the battle of the sexes. But, they fail to see that it is impossible to do so. Women have evolved to a higher independence over time (a good thing), while some men have become more dependent (a bad thing in their eyes) to others. In the past, women tended to be forced into dependence upon men. They want the paths currently to reverse back to the previous ones, but that is just not going to happen. Rather than try to improve themselves with things such as education, they want to macho their way out of their situation. They have painted themselves into a corner of their own design, yet want to blame women for their problems. I do not have an easy fix for this issue.

FYI - I may be wrong in this interpretation. This is what I understand from my position as someone who chooses to be voluntary celibate. (I do not have the skills to play in the gene pool game. That is something I have known for a very long time.)


I've mention I don't blame woman for this. I blame the system. But yes self improvement shouldn't be excused despite the disadvantages.


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22 Jul 2024, 10:43 pm

I don't understand it either @QuantumChemist.

Surely you've met many talented woman scientists or academics.
Did they somehow rob you of education or career success?

Is there a finite amount of learning to go around?


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22 Jul 2024, 10:43 pm

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What do you mean by it’s “an overused talking point?


I've talked to other women and every conversation like this, that argument is brought up as if no one understands that the world is a dangerous place. Nothing personal lol.


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22 Jul 2024, 10:47 pm

But Incels seem bitter about the fact women try to protect themselves.

Should we all just throw caution to wind?

Maybe men should risk a woman saying no to a date, and women should risk being abused or killed or having their kids abused or killed.

Now we can all shut up about it and have easy intercourse. / s


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22 Jul 2024, 10:48 pm

Graves Knight wrote:
"What do you mean by it’s “an overused talking point?”

I've talked to other women and every conversation like this, that argument is brought up as if no one understands that the world is a dangerous place. Nothing personal lol.


Ever consider that you're maybe failing to recognize how much more dangerous the world is for women?

That it's not really an overused talking point so much as a very common perspective due to lived experience?


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22 Jul 2024, 10:48 pm

Women on this forum have experienced extreme abuse from men. 1 in 6 women is a victim of rape or attempted rape. I’m a survivor of rape and domestic violence.

Most women experience sexual harassment at some point in their lives.

Evidence That Nine Autistic Women Out of Ten Have Been Victims of Sexual Violence

It’s a serious issue that deserves at least as much attention as it’s currently receiving.


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22 Jul 2024, 10:57 pm

IsabellaLinton wrote:
Graves Knight wrote:
men socially speaking have to come to women to shoot their shot.


What does this mean?

If you're referring to sex, can't they shoot their shot alone or with other men?
If you're referring to reproduction, don't women have to "come to men" too?

Women don't always pick their men.
Sometimes men become obsessed with women / girls and won't leave them the F alone.

SA included.


Have you ever asked men on a date?

And yes I agree some men don't get the hint when a woman doesn't like them.


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22 Jul 2024, 10:59 pm

I'm a survivor of child sexual abuse, blackmail, identity theft, domestic violence, forcible confinement, third-degree rape, gang rape, sodomy, bodily reconstruction, assault with a deadly weapon, attempted murder, and more overused talking points.

I won't detail my kids' experiences.


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22 Jul 2024, 11:01 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
Graves Knight wrote:
"What do you mean by it’s “an overused talking point?”

I've talked to other women and every conversation like this, that argument is brought up as if no one understands that the world is a dangerous place. Nothing personal lol.


Ever consider that you're maybe failing to recognize how much more dangerous the world is for women?

That it's not really an overused talking point so much as a very common perspective due to lived experience?


And it's not for men? It's dangerous period. Yes father protect their daughters from bad men for that reason. I don't disagree.


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22 Jul 2024, 11:04 pm

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I'm a survivor of child sexual abuse, blackmail, identity theft, domestic violence, forcible confinement, third-degree rape, gang rape, sodomy, bodily reconstruction, assault with a deadly weapon, attempted murder, and more overused talking points.

I won't detail my kids' experiences.


I'm sorry all that happened to you and I hope you find peace.


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22 Jul 2024, 11:05 pm

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Have you ever asked men on a date?


No, because I was in back-to-back abusive, manipulative relationships from which I couldn't escape, from my 17th birthday until I was 34. Then actual violence and trauma started with another group of people so I didn't want anything to do with men or dating for the next 17.5 years, and didn't even have the courage to go for coffee with female friends.

The thought of dating made me physically ill.


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22 Jul 2024, 11:09 pm

TwilightPrincess wrote:
Women on this forum have experienced extreme abuse from men. 1 in 6 women is a victim of rape or attempted rape. I’m a survivor of rape and domestic violence.

Most women experience sexual harassment at some point in their lives.

Evidence That Nine Autistic Women Out of Ten Have Been Victims of Sexual Violence


It’s a serious issue that deserves at least as much attention as it’s currently receiving.


What you think is the solution to this problem? I've mention men need more positive spaces and much easier access to financial success., and most importantly more fathers present.


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