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18 Oct 2010, 2:54 am

sex does not save lives. Humans are not Vulcans that will die when they get a boner if they neither f**k nor kill someone. If you're that desperate, make a date with your hand and a nice bottle of lube.

Sex is always potentially dangerous for women. It is somewhat less so with the advent of condoms (though one hears men whining about using condoms the same way you hear them whining about not getting sex: 'you're so mean! you don't care about how I feel at all!'), but the simple fact of the matter is that men are bigger, stronger, and more violent than women. Even women in 'normal' relationships are more likely to be murdered by their romantic partner than by anyone else; taking off my clothes and putting myself in the control of a relative stranger for a 'pitty f**k' strikes me as stupid, not compassionate, especially when the guy in question is acting deranged, obsessive, and potentially violent. The creep who murdered all of those women wasn't getting laid because he was a violent creep. It was the cause, not the effect, of his lack of success with women.



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18 Oct 2010, 3:17 am

LKL wrote:
sex does not save lives. Humans are not Vulcans that will die when they get a boner if they neither f**k nor kill someone. If you're that desperate, make a date with your hand and a nice bottle of lube.

Sex is always potentially dangerous for women. It is somewhat less so with the advent of condoms (though one hears men whining about using condoms the same way you hear them whining about not getting sex: 'you're so mean! you don't care about how I feel at all!'), but the simple fact of the matter is that men are bigger, stronger, and more violent than women. Even women in 'normal' relationships are more likely to be murdered by their romantic partner than by anyone else; taking off my clothes and putting myself in the control of a relative stranger for a 'pitty f**k' strikes me as stupid, not compassionate, especially when the guy in question is acting deranged, obsessive, and potentially violent. The creep who murdered all of those women wasn't getting laid because he was a violent creep. It was the cause, not the effect, of his lack of success with women.

Why did he become a violent creep?



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18 Oct 2010, 3:19 am

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sex does not save lives. Humans are not Vulcans that will die when they get a boner if they neither f**k nor kill someone. If you're that desperate, make a date with your hand and a nice bottle of lube.


Sex does save lives. Sex heals and makes you feel worth loving. Judging from your apparently total ignorance of what sexual and romantic frustration can do to you, I am trying hard to be very patient with explaining this.

Now, if your lost a leg in a car accident and you were that desperate to have your leg back, why don't you just get yourself a two-by-four and duct-tape it to the stump where your leg used to be? ... Do you get it? Hello? It's not really a substitute.

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Sex is always potentially dangerous for women. It is somewhat less so with the advent of condoms (though one hears men whining about using condoms the same way you hear them whining about not getting sex: 'you're so mean! you don't care about how I feel at all!'), but the simple fact of the matter is that men are bigger, stronger, and more violent than women. Even women in 'normal' relationships are more likely to be murdered by their romantic partner than by anyone else; taking off my clothes and putting myself in the control of a relative stranger for a 'pitty f**k' strikes me as stupid, not compassionate, especially when the guy in question is acting deranged, obsessive, and potentially violent. The creep who murdered all of those women wasn't getting laid because he was a violent creep. It was the cause, not the effect, of his lack of success with women.


Hostility isn't sexy, agreed. Neither are women who lie about rape. It's dangerous from both sides, especially with strangers. What's more stupid: possibly putting yourself in danger for a few hours, or helping assure the doom of four or five other women (and/or men) in a few years? Sorry, but that's how these things work. Feminism teaches women to sow their wild oats, and this is one of the consequences.



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18 Oct 2010, 7:11 am

Nostromos, do you understand that women are human beings, and that their own safety and well-being is equally important to some sex-starved sociopath's? multiple women took care of THEIR OWN safety by refusing to sleep with him. he could have taken care of HIMSELF by getting massive amounts of therapy. and if his insanity progressed to the point of hurting innocent people he should have either checked himself into hospital or killed himself. he should have sacrificed HIMSELF.



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18 Oct 2010, 7:52 am

nostromo wrote:
LKL wrote:
sex does not save lives. Humans are not Vulcans that will die when they get a boner if they neither f**k nor kill someone. If you're that desperate, make a date with your hand and a nice bottle of lube.

Sex is always potentially dangerous for women. It is somewhat less so with the advent of condoms (though one hears men whining about using condoms the same way you hear them whining about not getting sex: 'you're so mean! you don't care about how I feel at all!'), but the simple fact of the matter is that men are bigger, stronger, and more violent than women. Even women in 'normal' relationships are more likely to be murdered by their romantic partner than by anyone else; taking off my clothes and putting myself in the control of a relative stranger for a 'pitty f**k' strikes me as stupid, not compassionate, especially when the guy in question is acting deranged, obsessive, and potentially violent. The creep who murdered all of those women wasn't getting laid because he was a violent creep. It was the cause, not the effect, of his lack of success with women.

Why did he become a violent creep?

because he was born with a mental illness. he could have fixed his own issues, but he did not.


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18 Oct 2010, 7:55 am

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Nostromos, do you understan that women are human beings, and that their own safety and well-being is equally important to some sex-starved sociopath? multiple women took care of THEIR OWN safety by refusing to sleep with him. he could hav taken car of HIMSELF by getting massive amounts of therapy. and as soon as his insanity progressed to the point of hurting innocent people he shpuld have either checked himself into hospital or killed himself. he should have sacrificed HIMSELF.


Nostromos is making no sense at all. Every relationship is an exchange. Be it social status, emotional excitement, money, or pleasure, something is always exchanged. Nostromos is under the delusion that he should get something for free when nothing in life is ever free.



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18 Oct 2010, 8:34 am

To those people who hate the guys who pay for sex: How are you going to stop them from doing that?



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18 Oct 2010, 8:48 am

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To those people who hate the guys who pay for sex: How are you going to stop them from doing that?

nobody hates guys who pay for sex. but people like myself want guys who pay for sex to understand that it is damaging to the prostitutes who do it. using a prostitute actually has a negative effect on another human being.

it's up to those guys who use prostitutes, or who are considering using prostitutes, to decide whether to do it or not, but they should do so with a full awareness. there is a chance that these guys don't care about hurting other people, but they have to live with their own conscience after all.

and maybe there are men who have not made a decision about it yet, so it is important for them to have as much information as possible.


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18 Oct 2010, 8:53 am

I didn't have a choice about going to one. Its only because I am aware of sex that I have to have it. If she is a victim, then by golly, I am too. I am one of society's turds, one of the forgotten who has slipped back because of this condition. I am also being ripped off by the prostitute too.



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18 Oct 2010, 9:15 am

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I didn't have a choice about going to one. Its only because I am aware of sex that I have to have it. If she is a victim, then by golly, I am too. I am one of society's turds, one of the forgotten who has slipped back because of this condition. I am also being ripped off by the prostitute too.

no, you are not a victim when you use a prostitute. you did have a choice about going to one. it is entirely up to you - nobody forced you to go to one or made you do it.... you decided to do it yourself.

if you think you are being victimized by prostitutes somehow (which makes absolutely no sense at all), then stop going. easy fix.


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18 Oct 2010, 9:19 am

Society puts things like sex on a pedestal. So, when someone like me comes along with AS and is very aware of the whole sex process and can't seem to get none, the only option left was to pay for it. Do I do it or do I go without? Go without, unacceptable - for me personally. I have stopped going, money is more important then sex.



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18 Oct 2010, 11:40 am

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Society puts things like sex on a pedestal. So, when someone like me comes along with AS and is very aware of the whole sex process and can't seem to get none, the only option left was to pay for it. Do I do it or do I go without? Go without, unacceptable - for me personally. I have stopped going, money is more important then sex.


Damage done can be avoided by steering clear of pimps, streetwalkers, and Russians. Sex tourism is also a no-no for me since I prefer girls that I can have a conversation with. A girl who sleeps around for free will face the same emotional issues that non-forced prostitutes are Likely to encounter when they leave the business. The main psych distress that they face is overriding the unattraction switches for a client.



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18 Oct 2010, 12:02 pm

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Society puts things like sex on a pedestal. So, when someone like me comes along with AS and is very aware of the whole sex process and can't seem to get none, the only option left was to pay for it. Do I do it or do I go without? Go without, unacceptable - for me personally. I have stopped going, money is more important then sex.


Damage done can be avoided by steering clear of pimps, streetwalkers, and Russians. Sex tourism is also a no-no for me since I prefer girls that I can have a conversation with. A girl who sleeps around for free will face the same emotional issues that non-forced prostitutes are Likely to encounter when they leave the business. The main psych distress that they face is overriding the unattraction switches for a client.

by 'damage' i'm talking about the long-term psychological effects of selling one's body for sex. and the effects are NOT the same as sleeping around - i have no idea where you would get that idea from. and no, the main psychological problem is not that they have to sleep with unattractive men.

i've provided tons of information on this thread and other threads as to exactly what the psychological issues are. you choose not to believe it, and that is your choice. but your opinion about whether it is damaging to the women is abosolutely not based in reality. you have no support for your claims whatsoever.


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18 Oct 2010, 2:29 pm

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nostromo wrote:
LKL wrote:
sex does not save lives. Humans are not Vulcans that will die when they get a boner if they neither f**k nor kill someone. If you're that desperate, make a date with your hand and a nice bottle of lube.

Sex is always potentially dangerous for women. It is somewhat less so with the advent of condoms (though one hears men whining about using condoms the same way you hear them whining about not getting sex: 'you're so mean! you don't care about how I feel at all!'), but the simple fact of the matter is that men are bigger, stronger, and more violent than women. Even women in 'normal' relationships are more likely to be murdered by their romantic partner than by anyone else; taking off my clothes and putting myself in the control of a relative stranger for a 'pitty f**k' strikes me as stupid, not compassionate, especially when the guy in question is acting deranged, obsessive, and potentially violent. The creep who murdered all of those women wasn't getting laid because he was a violent creep. It was the cause, not the effect, of his lack of success with women.

Why did he become a violent creep?

because he was born with a mental illness. he could have fixed his own issues, but he did not.

! !! !
OK we can help ourselves a little bit, but I don't think its realistic to expect people to self diagnose and repair. Otherwise we wouldn't need mental health services etc. What about people with schizophrenia or bipolar?



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18 Oct 2010, 2:52 pm

nostromo wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
nostromo wrote:
LKL wrote:
sex does not save lives. Humans are not Vulcans that will die when they get a boner if they neither f**k nor kill someone. If you're that desperate, make a date with your hand and a nice bottle of lube.

Sex is always potentially dangerous for women. It is somewhat less so with the advent of condoms (though one hears men whining about using condoms the same way you hear them whining about not getting sex: 'you're so mean! you don't care about how I feel at all!'), but the simple fact of the matter is that men are bigger, stronger, and more violent than women. Even women in 'normal' relationships are more likely to be murdered by their romantic partner than by anyone else; taking off my clothes and putting myself in the control of a relative stranger for a 'pitty f**k' strikes me as stupid, not compassionate, especially when the guy in question is acting deranged, obsessive, and potentially violent. The creep who murdered all of those women wasn't getting laid because he was a violent creep. It was the cause, not the effect, of his lack of success with women.

Why did he become a violent creep?

because he was born with a mental illness. he could have fixed his own issues, but he did not.

! !! !
OK we can help ourselves a little bit, but I don't think its realistic to expect people to self diagnose and repair. Otherwise we wouldn't need mental health services etc. What about people with schizophrenia or bipolar?


That's a fair point. I don't think he could have fixed his own issues. I don't know if seeing a shrink twice a week would have fixed his issues either. His issues may have been unfixable. But it is also a fair point that it is not the responsibility of women to sacrifice their own well-being in order to mollify a man enough that he doesn't go on a killing spree. Would you get into a relationship or have sex with somebody you weren't attracted to for that reason? If you start saying "it's society's fault" then it must also be society's solution. And the solution that "society" comes up with to deal with dangerous people is not to enlist sex partners for them. Society's solution for people who are dangerous and can't help themselves is involuntary commital. So be careful about insisting that society needs to solve this. Because involuntary commital is what the solution would be.



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18 Oct 2010, 7:29 pm

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Hyperlexian said: psychosexual rage has nothing to do with it, according to every study i have ever seen. any reputable sources for your opinions?


Read the chapters "the Rise of Sex Crime" and "Serial Killers" from "The Mammoth Book of the History of Murder", edited by Colin Wilson. The book has a vast bibliography of reputable sources. Also read "Dark Dreams" by Roy Hazelwood and Stephen Michaud. Hazelwood was an FBI agent who worked on sex-crime cases. They're as well-informed as anybody... I, uh, I think.

Plus, just look at these types of crimes in the second half of the twentieth century and who the victims mostly were: people the killers were attracted to.

I'm not interested in a pissing contest, either. And you were the one to bring up analogies. I was just asking a question, which you nervously evaded when I tried to get you to answer it. What are you afraid of? That you would unequivocally say "yes", and then rationalize the hell out of it, even if killing snakes was against your religion?

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Hyperlexian said: i tend to think that people who use sexual services are either unaware of the impact, or they don't care about the impact, or they enjoy the idea of degrading a woman, or they like the idea of having control over another person through payment. i don't think it has much to do with sex at all, at its core. i think it has to do with putting one's own desires above other people's and not really caring about the negative impact that one can have on other people.


You're a fat man preaching the evils of gluttony to a bunch of people starving to death. I tend to think that women who take many lovers but reject many men who court them are either unaware of the impact, don't care, or enjoy degrading men. I think it has everything to do with putting one's own desires above other people's and not caring about the negative impact on others.


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XFilesGeek said: But I wouldn't offer my body to either one just so they won't be in so much pain.

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Celoneth said: you are not entitled to the affections and sexual services of another PERSON.


Oh, no one's entitled to sex. And no one's entitled to safety, either.

Wait a minute, are you saying that having sex with a man for you is like getting eaten alive by a lion?


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RICKY5 said: It's called not being a loony f-tard...


We'd see what a loony ass-tard you'd be if women like Hyperlexian had succeeded in getting rid of prostitution. :D


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XFilesGeek said: I have about as much sympathy for George as I do for a person who shoots a bunch of people in a shopping mall because he's angry and upset he doesn't have any money."


If he was caught alive, I think he should have gotten the death penalty. What about you?


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Hyperlexian said: back in my dating days it was more important to me to have sex than love,


How much were you an hour? I know, I couldn't have afforded you.


You ladies seem incapable of understanding that sexual rejection to most men is like saying they're not worthy as people. Growing from that ignorance is your

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I'm certainly not about to offer my vagina in service to angry, self-entitled, narcissistic w*kers who think they have the right to murder on account of sexual frustration.
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Someone who asserts a "right" to access to women sexually is spewing misogyny.


heart-breaking disdain and hostility for a condition truly more painful than you have imagined. What's a few pity f*cks to possibly save a few more lives?

we aren't talking about pity sex. we are talking about women risking their lives with a sociopathic monster. people are entitled to safety. what a daft idea you have, that they are not entitled to it... there are laws built around that very right, silly!

the FBI supports the idea that rape is an act of power, not sex. just read their book "Into the Minds of Madmen". reread your books. acting out with sexual violence has nothing to do with desire or sexual frustration. however, sexual violence has everything to do with an overdeveloped sense of entitlement. it was one of the FBI's strongest correlations between a large number of men who commit sexual homicides.

how do you explain the men who rape elderly women or women they don't have any actual attraction to? it has a whole lot to do with wanting to subjugate the women a man does not respect and wants to damage.

you can't make me nervous.


EDIT: i decided not to insult you back, even though calling me a prostitute is not acceptable. please refrain from such nastiness or i will inform the moderators. thank you.


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