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Should Alex Ban Sexist Opinions from L&D?
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29 Jun 2014, 10:06 pm

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^^^ I know this might be slightly off topic but when a man and a woman are making out what does it mean when she starts to breath heavily and grab the mans crotch? :scratch: I sometimes break it off when it gets to that point and not talk to the woman again out of fear I might be having sex at the wrong time and such or she might not want it. I do it to preserve my innocence.


It means that you're dating women who aren't very socially aware or respectful, and who assume that because you're a guy what you want most in the world is sex, anytime, anywhere, and are not asking you first. You're also probably confusing those women by not being clear about what you want and don't want.

If you're making out, make it clear that you don't want to have sex. Use words, say so. You don't have to explain why if you don't want to, though she may be curious or confused.

Oh...if by "preserve my innocence" you mean "I don't want to be accused of rape"...then this is very easy. Ask. Again, words. Ask if she wants to have sex with you. "Yes" is the answer that means "yes". (And that means "yes" the first time, or if she comes back around to you and asks you. Don't pressure or harass a woman to get to yes.) And if she's drunk, just stay away. Don't have sex with a woman who's too impaired to be in her right mind.
I don't make the moves I expect her to initiate but i don't always expect her to grab my crotch while making out after only knowing her for a short while. I don't mind when i do expect it but not when i don't i know its weird but its how I am. Sometimes when a woman just wants sex out of the blue it kind of freaks me out because i do not expect that at all. When I do know the person enough and she knows me enough and she wants sex and I know it and she knows I want sex in return then that's fine.


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29 Jun 2014, 10:20 pm

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Speech matters more than you think it does.

One of the things that's surprised me in recent years is the number of young women who tell me that boys feel entitled to criticize their bodies if they don't look like movie stars, if they don't groom themselves in particular ways, if they don't wear this or that, if they won't do various sexual acts. This shocked the hell out of me at first -- wth, they're not just happy to get laid? I can't recall a guy *ever* talking that way to me -- but the kind young women did some youngsplainin' at me, and it seems that the boys are so internet-porn-saturated by the time they touch a real live girl that they have very freaky standards, and they also hear thousands of other men bragging about how they whipped their girls into shape, and that it's appropriate to talk this way to them.

I can see it. You go over to reddit and gawker and they're echo chambers of macho posturing. I can see it being very easy, if you're a young guy, to believe that this is actually how you do it. So I used to say to these girls, well, wtf, then, dump them. And they get very unhappy and say that all the boys they know are like that, they all talk that way about girls, so if they refuse to deal with it, they just won't be able to date at all.

How people talk about women, depict women, has real consequences for women. That's why every advocacy group for anything freaks out when slurs are normalized, when members of that group are blamed irrationally, and when there are ugly stereotyped representations of that group. You think they do it for kicks? If you do, you're wrong. They do it because that speech, those representations are dangerous, particularly when they're seen as normal, and they encourage discrimination, violence, all kinds of bad.


Well Tarantella, I am 35 and I don't know how old you are and will not ask because it's impolite to ask a lady her age. I don't know if I can use my age as an accurate comparison but some of the guys I hung with when I was 18-19 confirm that the women you have encountered are right and there are a lot of guys like this. I've encountered a number of them over the years my age and younger.

At 18-19, it was all just so confusing to me and I ended up getting suckered into things and beliefs I should have not let myself get suckered into. I should have used my rational thinking instead of my stupid hormones.

I have a younger brother in law who is having a tough time at job corp and he is an aspie as well. He is taking the program seriously and trying to get through it. This is what happened. His roommate and his boys meaning friends was talking about how they were going to have sex with a young lady. They said in a derogatory way though. They were very inappropriate and they were keeping him up at night. He told on them and they moved him to his own room. They threatened to jump him for being a "snitch." I know exactly the type he is dealing with and honestly I'm a bit worried about him especially since he is a bit more AS than I am.

On the other hand though, I do believe he handled himself with class, way better than I did at 18-19. He did tell them he was being inappropriate and that they were keeping him up at night and if they would be quiet or go somewhere else. They called him "gay", "fa***t" and "p****" and that is when he told on them and the next day they called him a snitch and threatened to jump him. The young ladies you've spoken to Tarantella, have some points. They told me that women were "hoes" and "users" yet what is weird is that I was expected to be the big sport and always be the one who pays for their food when they suggested we go out to eat. They told me that everything I was told about women was a lie and I had to play some game and spit some game. To this day, I still don't know nor understand what "spit some game" even means. It was sort of like describing the matrix. Weird when I think about it now.



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29 Jun 2014, 10:21 pm

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AspieOtaku, may I kiss you?
Not to make light, though, as I remember you posting that you have been on the receiving end of unwanted attention.

I haven't voted here either as I find these polls to be silly and unscientific.

But I think linguistics may be getting in the way of communication. The key is to repect the space of the other person. Sometimes the cues are non verbal, but they still exist.
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29 Jun 2014, 10:21 pm

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Speech matters more than you think it does.

One of the things that's surprised me in recent years is the number of young women who tell me that boys feel entitled to criticize their bodies if they don't look like movie stars, if they don't groom themselves in particular ways, if they don't wear this or that, if they won't do various sexual acts. This shocked the hell out of me at first -- wth, they're not just happy to get laid? I can't recall a guy *ever* talking that way to me -- but the kind young women did some youngsplainin' at me, and it seems that the boys are so internet-porn-saturated by the time they touch a real live girl that they have very freaky standards, and they also hear thousands of other men bragging about how they whipped their girls into shape, and that it's appropriate to talk this way to them.

I can see it. You go over to reddit and gawker and they're echo chambers of macho posturing. I can see it being very easy, if you're a young guy, to believe that this is actually how you do it. So I used to say to these girls, well, wtf, then, dump them. And they get very unhappy and say that all the boys they know are like that, they all talk that way about girls, so if they refuse to deal with it, they just won't be able to date at all.

How people talk about women, depict women, has real consequences for women. That's why every advocacy group for anything freaks out when slurs are normalized, when members of that group are blamed irrationally, and when there are ugly stereotyped representations of that group. You think they do it for kicks? If you do, you're wrong. They do it because that speech, those representations are dangerous, particularly when they're seen as normal, and they encourage discrimination, violence, all kinds of bad.


^All of this. Very well said.


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29 Jun 2014, 11:00 pm

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One of the things that's surprised me in recent years is the number of young women who tell me that boys feel entitled to criticize their bodies if they don't look like movie stars, if they don't groom themselves in particular ways, if they don't wear this or that, if they won't do various sexual acts. This shocked the hell out of me at first -- wth, they're not just happy to get laid? I can't recall a guy *ever* talking that way to me -- but the kind young women did some youngsplainin' at me, and it seems that the boys are so internet-porn-saturated by the time they touch a real live girl that they have very freaky standards, and they also hear thousands of other men bragging about how they whipped their girls into shape, and that it's appropriate to talk this way to them.


I used to have a few older, right-wing Christian acquaintances who "knew" all sorts of things about the "gay lifestyle." The above sounds *exactly* like the stuff they would say.

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So I used to say to these girls, well, wtf, then, dump them. And they get very unhappy and say that all the boys they know are like that, they all talk that way about girls, so if they refuse to deal with it, they just won't be able to date at all.


Guys have to deal with it too. There are plenty of girls who will play the yes-means-no game to make you take all of the intimate responsibility and do all of the work. Some of them will even use the ambiguity to guilt trip you in the morning in hopes of gaining leverage in the relationship.

I don't go out with girls who seem likely to do that, and cuts into my dating pool in a big way. I'd bet that those girls could do the same thing if they really wanted to. It just sucks.



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30 Jun 2014, 2:23 am

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It's not common sense to say these whiners are being sexist because it's obviously not sexism that's fueling it but frustration. Also, while their comments can be frustrating and infurating, they don't have any impact on anyone who isn't reading their threads. It's people stating their opinions, not people planning to act on them or suggesting others act on them. . They are saying things like "women only want jerks", they are saying "women only want guys to spend money on them and are goldiggers". Nobody believes them or takes that seriously and those comments don't incite anything at all.

Please tell me how some loser making those two statements I posted above is actually hurting any woman, any where.


*Sigh* I don't need to. There have been many women on here telling you/whoever will listen how the sexism on WP affects them, so I'm not sure what more you're expecting from me. I think the women have been much better at speaking for themselves in that regard.

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They aren't saying that women are incompetent or need to be put "in our place in the kitchen" or denied rights, etc


No, perhaps not those words exactly no, but they have been saying "Women are [insert some other random sexist thing other than the 2 you listed]". You seem to have a very narrow view of what sexism is.

I've asked this question once before and you didn't answer me. If I were to say, "All black people are thieves!" just because one black person robbed me would that not be racist? Does racism/sexism/what-ever-ism only apply to actions and not words or something? If so, that doesn't seem to go with everything I've ever learned about the concepts.


question. is saying some black people are thieves, racist?
if so why. lets be real some black people, some asians, some whites, some ______ are thieves.

but i was told to say some women are/do _____ is sexist. also just saying women/black/white/_____ doesn't mean all or all would have been before it.



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30 Jun 2014, 2:29 am

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It's obvious that some people here disagree on where the line should be drawn regarding sexist statements.

It has been clearly defined what constitutes sexist language and what does not. What is unacceptable is that, when one person posts a sexist statement, a bunch of others chime in and agree with the sexist sentiment. Perhaps any one statement, in and of itself, does not cross the line, but as a collective vent, combined into a prevailing sentiment, they do. And then the entire subforum takes on a sexist tone. What purpose does that serve other than to run off the people who are feeling disrespected, i.e., the women? Guys, Aspie women may be your prime dating pool, if not at this very moment, then somewhere down the road. Do you really want to alienate a bunch of potential dates en masse? If so, carry on. Those female WP'ers with enough self-respect to disapprove of that kind of climate will move on and find their own dating pool somewhere else.

My perspective is: if you want to whine, or rant, or vent, go do it in the haven. Why not leave this subforum for people who have a genuine interest in helping others find their way through the pitfalls of love and dating, instead of their posts being an exhibit for some to cluck their tongues over the language, and others to quietly snicker at the poor suckers' misfortunes?

Just a thought.


aspie women will bever be my prime dating pool. there isn't enough of them, most seem to have partners, the few there are are so spread out. I met one locally and it went horrible she pushed me to skype then suddenly stopped after she heard what my job was. while I don't hold that against all aspie women, it has also somewhat proved my idea of two aspies being together wouldn't work.

as one of the problem/possible sexist people or whiner . I made my post cause i was depressed, frustrated lonely and seeking help and conversation with aspies. I had been hurt by a lady in September and rejected by tons after, all this taking place after a long internet type relationship that ended bad. I don't see heaven would have helped. it seems more fore people dealing with loss of family/friends, meltdowns, suicidal thoughts etc then love life issues.



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30 Jun 2014, 2:39 am

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Speech matters more than you think it does.

One of the things that's surprised me in recent years is the number of young women who tell me that boys feel entitled to criticize their bodies if they don't look like movie stars, if they don't groom themselves in particular ways, if they don't wear this or that, if they won't do various sexual acts. This shocked the hell out of me at first -- wth, they're not just happy to get laid? I can't recall a guy *ever* talking that way to me -- but the kind young women did some youngsplainin' at me, and it seems that the boys are so internet-porn-saturated by the time they touch a real live girl that they have very freaky standards, and they also hear thousands of other men bragging about how they whipped their girls into shape, and that it's appropriate to talk this way to them.

I can see it. You go over to reddit and gawker and they're echo chambers of macho posturing. I can see it being very easy, if you're a young guy, to believe that this is actually how you do it. So I used to say to these girls, well, wtf, then, dump them. And they get very unhappy and say that all the boys they know are like that, they all talk that way about girls, so if they refuse to deal with it, they just won't be able to date at all.

How people talk about women, depict women, has real consequences for women. That's why every advocacy group for anything freaks out when slurs are normalized, when members of that group are blamed irrationally, and when there are ugly stereotyped representations of that group. You think they do it for kicks? If you do, you're wrong. They do it because that speech, those representations are dangerous, particularly when they're seen as normal, and they encourage discrimination, violence, all kinds of bad.


I'm not that way. non of my female friends I've had have ever said such things. grooming?? shaving down there? well for me its a matter of not wanting hair in my mouth. not a requirement but i won't want to do it and will be disappointed. as for wearing things does role playing count? there's things that turn me on, that if I had a gf I would ask her to wear. I would wear things for her that turned her on. actually things I would like to wear and hope a potential mate would be into.

reddit is for stuff other then gone wild and talking about trees??? :o i only go to reddit for gonewild related stuff. better then porn as its women who willing post their pics/video/audio and enjoy doing such things and reading comments on it. now I wouldn't post there and I don't get why so many do. I enjoy following a few though and they enjoy it so seems to work out for all. It also shows just how many beautiful women there are, though I don't find many women ugly. some guys comments can get out of hand but seems over all others will refute them

reddit also has a dating type threads though no one in my state :(



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30 Jun 2014, 2:45 am

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kissing doesn't equal sex or wantig sex to me.

I see it as romantic and emotional bonding. I enjoy kissing. It does seem though to women kissing means sex. or at least I've been told and read that kissing turns women on. mind you kissing they agreed upon. for me though it doesn't have to be sexual. I just enjoy kissing women. Its fun and I makes me feel closer to them.

cuddling now that tends to excite me. :'( which sucks cause I really enjoy and require the closeness and feeling that being held brings.


You're not wrong here, sly. Kissing IS romantic and emotional bonding. Which is kind of the point I keep trying to make - you have to have some sort of established relationship (not saying you have to be "in a committed relationship" but you have to have least had a few dates) before kissing as romantic and emotional bonding is appropriate. Once you're in a relationship, it's already been established that each of you is someone the other person wants to be with and therefore would not object to a nice interlude of kissing (and/or cuddling).

Everyone has different levels of tolerance. Apparently there are also a lot of black and white filters being applied to much of what is being said here.

On a first date (or, worse, BEFORE), if a guy grabs me and kisses me, and I wasn't yet sure if he was someone I wanted to have a physical relationship with (or was already sure I didn't), yes, I would consider that assault, and yes, he would know unequivocally, and in no uncertain terms, to NEVER do that again.

In a relationship where a physical component has already been established, you bet your booties I don't mind if MY guy grabs me and kisses me. And, if I want him to do more of that kind of thing, I will absolutely make sure he knows that.


i've only kissed 3 women. one we spent day together on a first date, then went back to her place and kissed and cuddled. we had talked for a week or two before. I asked to kiss and hug, then if we could cuddle. I had never cuddled and grown needly of it from the internet thing I had, tons of e cuddles and talk of cuddling made me really want it.

the 2nd , we had been talking for few months met once when she tried to hook me up with a friend. after she broke up with the guy over seas, and while she was trying to decide between me and 2 other guys she came to visit me and I asked the first few times to kiss

3rd was a sexual met up.

I would never grab a woman even in a relationship. why would you want to be grabbed?

something I would like to do is come up behind her when shes doing something and hug her from behind while at the same time kiss her neck. Though I don't see how would could do that with asking before, so suppose they'll never happen.



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30 Jun 2014, 2:55 am

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Actually, we're trying to give them more power over themselves, which will turn out to be essential for them to eventually find happiness with another person.

Sure, everyone vents from time to time - that is not the issue that is causing blowback here. The issue is with a few who repeatedly blame all of their woes on the female gender.

There are a few male members here who used to gripe about women, but who subsequently got their act together and now have a much happier life (including, like, girlfriends and all that stuff). Can't we attempt to do the same with others instead of indulging their negative ideas, which is likely only to perpetuate their unhappiness?

And, of course, anyone at all should be more than welcome to gripe about any particular bad thing happening to them. I just very strongly feel that it is counterproductive for them to be encouraged to continue to view themselves as a victim, particularly when they view themselves as victims of A WHOLE CLASSIFICATION of people, such as women, or blacks, or jews, or college professors, or cheerleaders, or gas station attendants.

How does it empower the whiners to encourage them to continue feeling like victims?


could it be that getting a gf stopped them whining as they thing they whined about wasn't a problem, but if the gf leaves them they would then be on to whine about that?

I don't see how the negtive thoughts I had hurt anyone but me. some people are victims. how do you decide who is or isn't without doing it case by case.

I have to go off how women in my area are. as its where I live. being how they are or rather what they see as must haves for relationships, is what restricts me from having one. I don't see myself as a victim. what I do see myself is as a person and a sh***y situation unlikely to change. If others want to see that as a victim that's up to them.

victim to me is someone who had someone else act on them in a negitive way. as rape, mugging, robbery, murder, etc.

what i blame more is society that has lead to those women believing that a guy who lacks the list of things is not worth giving a chance to. I do get frustrated at the women though as I find it irritating. I don't often follow what society says to do in love regards. or I wouldnt have liked the last lady. she was jobless, has disorders, smokes weed, and chubby. society would say to pass, but she seemed nice , we could talk for hours and I thought she was pretty and attractive.

I honestly feel like my only chance is to win the lottery.




sorry for the lots of me, but I check the forums 3 times a day and a lot that I felt like responding to happen in between. :(



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30 Jun 2014, 6:25 am

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Unfortunately for him he spent his entire life disrespecting all of us so my response has always been, "Screw that!"

Age can mean an awful lot, but it can also mean absolutely nothing so don't give me that shite.

Hey, I had a terrible experience with my own father, too. Doesn't mean I go projecting my issues with my father onto others from that generation.



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30 Jun 2014, 7:27 am

To be honest, I don't like it when a lady shaves "down there." LOL

I believe, in general, that people must be exposed to true human interaction in order to be credible. Abstract theories, especially pertaining to human relationships, do not quite cut the mustard. Research frequently only yields generalizing results; I don't find the results of research relevant to my own life.

I take everything on a "case by case" basis. Saying that "all women this" or "all men that" doesn't do it for me. Saying that "Marie does that," or "Sam does that" carries much more credibility.

As for "self help books," same thing: based upon generalizations.



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30 Jun 2014, 1:42 pm

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Hey, I had a terrible experience with my own father, too. Doesn't mean I go projecting my issues with my father onto others from that generation.


lol It's projecting to say that age doesn't necessarily make someone wise or experienced at life, or to say that age alone doesn't automatically make you worthy of the respect of others? That's projecting too? I was using my dad as an example, but he's not the only person I've met who was older who didn't have the qualities you seem to think that age automatically gives a person, so don't give me that shite either.

Nice try though :D


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Sometimes older people can be even more evil,years of practice.


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30 Jun 2014, 4:03 pm

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lol It's projecting to say that age doesn't necessarily make someone wise or experienced at life, or to say that age alone doesn't automatically make you worthy of the respect of others? That's projecting too? I was using my dad as an example, but he's not the only person I've met who was older who didn't have the qualities you seem to think that age automatically gives a person, so don't give me that shite either.

Nice try though :D

My dad sucked, therefore all older people suck. The logic there is just BEAUTIFUL. lol



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30 Jun 2014, 4:13 pm

i think your reading comprehension is off--he stated that age doesn't automatically imbue everyone with wisdom. you read that as "all old people suck." try reading his statement again, the actual words he used and not the words coming from the straw man in your mind.

some people are quite resistant to the process of acquiring wisdom from their experience. he is not "projecting" by stating that obvious reality.