More Thought on Incels.

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Standards are standards. A woman by all means can have any standards she's likes but they need to be prepared to die childless and alone by those same standards too. They need to be prepared to sleep in the bed they make.

I have little sympathy for picky childless women in their mid 30s.

A man's value with age certainly isn't a done deal too. Plenty of men just fail to thrive and they can't be butt hurt over women not finding them appealing if their life consists of Mountain Dew, Cheetoes and video games.

To be honest, I think both men and women need to get their backsides into gear. The information age has made a planet full of egocentric sloths.

I watched your whole video. Where do they say this? At the beginning, they talk about nowadays more young women can get in touch with older men WITH MONEY anywhere in the country. They never say it's commonplace for 20-somethings to date random 30-somethings. They call them "rich, successful, attractive dudes." And the young women find them because these attractive and financially-successful men basically use Instagram as a resume for their wealthy lifestyle. They also mention how even girls who are less attractive have the power to be super-selective.

This video is actually rather bleak for the 20-something angry young man.

Yes that's the part of the video I was talking about. My point is, if a lot of young women prefer the older wealthier guy, then why don't incel men in their early 20s strive to be that give in 15 years, so women will find him more attractive, if this is a common thing. That was the point I was trying to make, and the part of the video I meant.

It also reeks of prostitution for the women.

Oh how so?

You like Movies Iron pony. Have you seen Hors de Prix starring Audrey Tatou?

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0482088/

This may explain it.

I know of it but I haven't watched it all the way through. Why, or what does that movie have to do with it?

Another thing is, when it comes to incel men complaining about how they cannot get laid, what kind of league of women are they going for looks? Would they be going for a 5/10 for example usually?

back in the day, this 5 would have gladly accepted another 5 and felt blessed.

Oh well I just wonder if a lot of incel men set the bar on looks too high when it comes to women. For example, I know one guy who would always never get women ever, but he would only attempt to go for ones that were major babes, as most guys would think so, and I kept thinking why doesn't he just lower his standards, since he is not James Bond or anything like that.

But wonder if other incel guys are like that too, if their standards are too high...

This might come across as harsh, but it's a valid question: What makes you believe you were ever a 5/10 in the first place? According to whose rating?

it is human nature to always strive for the best. only a defeated person does otherwise. many folks are defeated.

According the men in the video you posted, it's the exact opposite. They flat out say below-average looking women have high standards and would rather end up alone than with a man that's beneath them. Women want to "date up."

That's their opinion, but you're the one trying to tout the video as some sort of counter-argument, which goes against everything your buddies in the video are saying.

Oh well I am now debating on the notion that if the video is incorrect. If the video is incorrect and women are not dating up, then why don't incel guys just date down?

If these men are truly ugly looking to women, and not even their ugly female equivalents want them, how much further down can they go? Is there even a "down" to date in the first place?

common sense. yes, i have some, believe it or not. i know i am not an Adonis but neither am i Quasimodo. i am not bill gates rich and smart but neither am i presently homeless, i have a roof over my head that i own, and i am [so far, god-willing] financially solvent. that puts me squarely in the middle between a 0 and a 10. i hope that made sense.

Okay, so by your own rating of yourself, you were a 5/10. That's great. However, you're self-rating is irrelevant; perhaps the women you considered to be 5/10 may have realistically seen you as a 3/10 IN THEIR EYES. After all, they're the ones who have to decide how attractive you, regardless of how attractive you believe you are.

Men really can't judge the looks of other men; rather, we can't assume guys we commonly see as decent or ugly are perceived the same way through the eyes of women. When we see a "good-looking" guy struggling and assume it can't be his looks, in the perception of the opposite sex, that man may be considered hideous. When we see an ugly guy with a pretty girl, there is a chance he's not as ugly in their eyes as we perceive him to be.

I remember you saying you thought Elliot Rodger was a gorgeous specimen of a young man. But don't assume your perception of his attractiveness is how the average woman would have seen him. No, I'm not talking beauty/beholder individual stuff. I mean, collectively, guys we think look decent may, in fact, be seen a below the passable looks threshold in the eyes of most women.

Adonis/Quasimoto are the extremes. Nearly everyone can tell a male model will be very appealing to women, vs the circus freak who doesn't even look human. But with a group of men that we see and think of as all being "average, ordinary," the opposite sex may see as "some are passable vs. others who are ugly."

So, anecdotal stories from men about "I think my one friend is better looking than my other friend, but the better looking one struggles with women, maybe he needs confidence." How do you know, in the eyes of women, which one is actually more attractive?