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Yes, like yogurts & stuff like that. I almost never eat dairy, though, so it's supplement capsules & sauerkraut for me.
Yes, the diet is necessary. Long story short, you essentially have to cut out everything that fuels the bad stuff in our guts, then consume things that kill off the bad stuff, then things that heal the intestinal lining, then repopulate probiotics. I don't eat nearly as medicinal a diet as when I began, but I still eat a restricted diet or suffer the consequences, and I still have to do certain things to maintain myself, as well as take supplements etc. I don't always maintain perfection, but overall I am much better balanced and ASD interferes with my life a LOT LESS than ever.
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How much does that cost per week inc all food?
In the very beginning my basic food costs were covered by trading my labour for a roof over my head & healthy meals to eat. When I began doing any of this my MONTHLY income was $150 & 100% of that was spent on herbs/oils etc that would make the greatest positive impact on my health, until I could work and earn more money & reinvest my wage earnings into myself faster and faster. Some of these items are very cheap, others kinda pricey. I'd GUESSTIMATE that the most I ever spent per week on food & natural medicines would be about $150 or so. There MIGHT have been one week where I spent $200. (Canadian) MAXIMUM, while I was taking HUGE doses of the most expensive things I consumed.
In my regular diet now, which is much less medicinal, I probably spend approximately $100-125/week on food, at most, BUT that's also when I'm working hard, exercising a lot, at eating 6-8 meals per day, every day.
So, it's flexible. Can start very very low, and with improved health & mental clarity, earn more money, then spend more of it on healthy herbs/supplements/probiotics etc.
To put a very rough guesstimate on on an average amount for food/medicine/teas etc per week during the more medicinal phase of my diet *shrug* $80? I was only eating a few times a day then like a regular person vs. fuelling athletic muscle mass. It's not exactly free, but it's not exorbitantly expensive to buy things like garlic, turmeric, and onions, either - especially in bulk. I also bought a few supplements on amazon etc. I've detailed in my story over 4 years ago how I sourced things to optimize my health/nutrition as inexpensively as possible, out of necessity.
Overall I may spend a bit more on groceries than many, but not the most. And I spend LESS than a lot of people who opt to eat fast food that only serves to negatively impact their health vs. heal them.
$80 Canadian dollars is £46, which is what I suspected, a lot of money. I spend "£25 a week on mostly whole foods and my two supplements. I'm not saying that there aren't benefits to your diet but the costs make it unrealistic for most people unless they already have a lot of faith in it. I would do more and pay more for nutritious food now if I could afford to than I would have done when I was obese (more than ten years ago) because I know it makes me feel better where as before food was a way of cheering myself up particularly cheese.
I do believe a big problem for us all is anxiety and yes a healthy lifestyle can really help with that. Is that what you meant by symptoms? ahh, that makes more sense and we are not so far apart in our theories.
I think a healthy lifestyle is best achieved in stages made over several years. The first changes, giving up really bad food and moving about more make the biggest differences and can put people in the right frame of mind (when they are ready) to make further improvements. But people beginning those changes are often overwhelmed (NT's too) by the huge amount of intense advice all advocating different things that appear unrealistic (£46) and give up. eg person A




Changing lifestyle over time also allows for regular adjustment to individual needs and changes in nutrition science. My mum has always been a huge fan of yogurt and forced it on me whenever unwell. Yes, I'm intolerant to milk too.
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How much does that cost per week inc all food?
Ignore him. Autism can’t be cured with diet if he’s symptoms were it’s likely he didn’t have autism. If it could companies would be heavily marketing it. 1/5 people have autism I’ve heard. That’s a lot of money to be made. Scientists don’t onow what causes it but it’s a Braine miswire not a stomach issue. A cure would probably require brain surgery
Reality is they won’t be a cure. Closest thing is testing and then abortion. Two people who don’t have autism can have a autistic kid. It seems random.
So when I said I’d take a cure it’s hypothetical as there isn’t one and it’s too late for me if there was one. If I had a kid non born and they said we can do this procedure that will cure his autism before they born I’d do it. Give them a good normal life. But at 30 it’s be too late.
I thought he meant he had cured his ASD as well, which I would not have believed or wanted to try. He's explained it better latter, his changes in diet and supplements have helped with a lot of his problems including weight and thinking more clearly. There are lots of studies on normal people showing exercise improves brain function and junk food slows thinking so that makes sense. And food intolerance can be a big problem, I used to eat a lot of cheese but it was the cause of my acne which used to really depress me (more than my weight, even though I was obese) and milk and anxiety were the cause of IBS but I've sorted all of those things out now and just need to start running again which lifts my moods but which I keep putting off.
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I have only about $15 a week for food.
I’m intolerant to dairy. Have you tried almond milk? I’ve been drinking it. Taste is different and I hate how fast it spoils. Milk last two weeks or so, almond milk spoils in under 7 days. So I do sometimes end up throwing half a carton away cause I didn’t eat cereal every day. I like to have some variety. I’ve changed cereal too. Ate the same cereal mostly every day for 4 months. Blah
For dinner I’m buying beef rice and chicken rice so atleast that is a slight change every 3 days. Now if only I could find bbq chicken nuggets. Besides the hunger from my diet it’s the variety I miss.
I fell off again. Family got McDonald’s. I should politely rejected. 1260, in that meal alone. Puts me at around 2,000 calories so 400 over. I shouldn’t gain any wieght but I won’t lose any.
Freeze it in ice cube trays. You need a little notice to let it thaw or microwave it for a bit I guess. Vanilla almond milk tastes more like regular milk but only when it's cold otherwise it's kinda weird once it starts warming up.
goldfish21
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How much does that cost per week inc all food?
In the very beginning my basic food costs were covered by trading my labour for a roof over my head & healthy meals to eat. When I began doing any of this my MONTHLY income was $150 & 100% of that was spent on herbs/oils etc that would make the greatest positive impact on my health, until I could work and earn more money & reinvest my wage earnings into myself faster and faster. Some of these items are very cheap, others kinda pricey. I'd GUESSTIMATE that the most I ever spent per week on food & natural medicines would be about $150 or so. There MIGHT have been one week where I spent $200. (Canadian) MAXIMUM, while I was taking HUGE doses of the most expensive things I consumed.
In my regular diet now, which is much less medicinal, I probably spend approximately $100-125/week on food, at most, BUT that's also when I'm working hard, exercising a lot, at eating 6-8 meals per day, every day.
So, it's flexible. Can start very very low, and with improved health & mental clarity, earn more money, then spend more of it on healthy herbs/supplements/probiotics etc.
To put a very rough guesstimate on on an average amount for food/medicine/teas etc per week during the more medicinal phase of my diet *shrug* $80? I was only eating a few times a day then like a regular person vs. fuelling athletic muscle mass. It's not exactly free, but it's not exorbitantly expensive to buy things like garlic, turmeric, and onions, either - especially in bulk. I also bought a few supplements on amazon etc. I've detailed in my story over 4 years ago how I sourced things to optimize my health/nutrition as inexpensively as possible, out of necessity.
Overall I may spend a bit more on groceries than many, but not the most. And I spend LESS than a lot of people who opt to eat fast food that only serves to negatively impact their health vs. heal them.
$80 Canadian dollars is £46, which is what I suspected, a lot of money. I spend "£25 a week on mostly whole foods and my two supplements. I'm not saying that there aren't benefits to your diet but the costs make it unrealistic for most people unless they already have a lot of faith in it. I would do more and pay more for nutritious food now if I could afford to than I would have done when I was obese (more than ten years ago) because I know it makes me feel better where as before food was a way of cheering myself up particularly cheese.
I do believe a big problem for us all is anxiety and yes a healthy lifestyle can really help with that. Is that what you meant by symptoms? ahh, that makes more sense and we are not so far apart in our theories.
I think a healthy lifestyle is best achieved in stages made over several years. The first changes, giving up really bad food and moving about more make the biggest differences and can put people in the right frame of mind (when they are ready) to make further improvements. But people beginning those changes are often overwhelmed (NT's too) by the huge amount of intense advice all advocating different things that appear unrealistic (£46) and give up. eg person A




Changing lifestyle over time also allows for regular adjustment to individual needs and changes in nutrition science. My mum has always been a huge fan of yogurt and forced it on me whenever unwell. Yes, I'm intolerant to milk too.
Expensive is relative to income as well as local prices of food. If I were in your shoes and wanted to attempt this, I'd first eliminate any detrimental foods & reallocate any savings from that to the most beneficial ones, start slowly, and bit by bit over time get ever healthier. It's been my experience that with improved health comes increased income and then the cost of healthy food isn't so expensive anymore. Gotta start somewhere and work your way up, though. I began with a total monthly income of about $150.
Anxiety I managed to get under control via epsom salts on my skin. Very inexpensive, very effective.
By symptoms I mean e v e r y t h i n g. Depression, anxiety, ASD symptoms, ADHD/OCD & even tourettes symptoms, dyspraxia etc - all of it, everything that all comes together as a bit of a package deal. At my worst everything was off the charts bad, now most things are pretty minimal in general and life is better.
It hasn't all been diet, herbs, oils & teas, though. I've disclosed it many times. The single largest impact has been made by doing 3-5L herbal enemas to cleanse the large intestine of whatever-tf it is that grows in there and interferes with enteric nervous system functions & the gut-brain connection. Yeast/fungus/bacteria/scoby - don't know, but I usually use filtered water, some natural salts, and organic apple cider vinegar with the mother. I've also used garlic infused water, coffee, antifungal herbal teas etc. It's gross science, but the single most effective thing I do to treat ASD symptoms as there IS, without question in my mind, an intestinal component to all of this. There have been a number of articles discussing the intestines' & gut microbiome's role in ASD over the last few years as well as probiotics role in treating it. Eventually all of the science will be discovered & explained in full.
Of course a healthy lifestyle is achieved in stages over several years. Rome wasn't built in a day and all that. 6 years ago while I was at my neurological worst, I was also 242lbs w/ a 38" waist. Today I'm 195-200 approx 13-14%bf around a 33" waist maybe & quite strong thanks to having done more than 200,000 pushups & other exercise over the last 4 years.
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I've said many times it's not a cure, it's an effective treatment protocol. It minimizes my ASD symptoms so that I can live the second life that I am. To each their own if they're pro or anti treatment for whatever reasons, but it's been my personal experience that effective treatment is FAR superior than allowing ASD symptoms to just do their thing and ruin my life. I'm NOT NT and never will be. I am extremely high functioning & retain many positive ASD traits that I don't think I'd want to ever give up - they're what make me, me, and now that I can keep the negative traits well under control I can utilize the positive ones to my advantage in life.
Good reminder.. I really need to get back to running again, too! This year I'll run more than last year for sure.

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I’m intolerant to dairy. Have you tried almond milk? I’ve been drinking it. Taste is different and I hate how fast it spoils. Milk last two weeks or so, almond milk spoils in under 7 days. So I do sometimes end up throwing half a carton away cause I didn’t eat cereal every day. I like to have some variety. I’ve changed cereal too. Ate the same cereal mostly every day for 4 months. Blah
For dinner I’m buying beef rice and chicken rice so atleast that is a slight change every 3 days. Now if only I could find bbq chicken nuggets. Besides the hunger from my diet it’s the variety I miss.
I fell off again. Family got McDonald’s. I should politely rejected. 1260, in that meal alone. Puts me at around 2,000 calories so 400 over. I shouldn’t gain any wieght but I won’t lose any.
Why is your weekly food budget only $15? From my understanding you get a disability income & also work part time. Do your essential costs of shelter/transportation/clothing/medicine etc consume all but $15/week of your income? Genuinely curious as to how your income is allocated & if that truly is all the money you have for groceries.
Dairy's pretty bad for most of us (ASD people). It's one of the things that fuels gut dysbiosis and in turn amplifies symptoms. Almond milk, hemp milk etc they're ok but I just drink black coffee or water. Even when I eat a bit of some gluten free cereal I can't be bothered to buy soy/rice/almond/hemp milk & will just pour a little water over it sometimes.
I eat meat, but rarely buy it just simply because it's expensive. There are less expensive sources of protein, especially compared to beef. I think I've bought beef maybe once a year over the last 5 years. I've eaten it a bit more often than that, but usually because someone else is paying Or because I'm out at some dinner function & I'll usually order something I wouldn't normally have at home. I typically buy eggs, canned salmon, 11lb bags of hemp seeds, protein bars (cliff builder bars), peanut butter, veggie protein shake mix, european wieners (just pork and preservatives, no fillers) etc.
Brown rice is far healthier for ya than white rice if you're a rice eater. Much lower glycemic index (lower sugar).
Meh, even I eat some junkfood once in a while. It won't kill ya. Just get back on track after. I don't eat McDonald's burgers etc, though. There's about nnnnnnoooooo nutritional value in them. There are much healthier fast food burger options around here, especially ones that will make them on a lettuce bun or wrap. When I do eat out, though, I prefer one of the many Asian restaurants for Pho or Sushi or Thai food vs. fast food - often barely more expensive than McDonald's, healthier, AND tastes better. Win-win.
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How much does that cost per week inc all food?
Ignore him. Autism can’t be cured with diet if he’s symptoms were it’s likely he didn’t have autism.
Why? Do you have better advice to give about how to treat ASD/depression/anxiety?
I highly doubt it considering the complaints you have of your symptoms.
The old adage holds true: "Only take advice from those you'd switch places with."
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I’m intolerant to dairy. Have you tried almond milk? I’ve been drinking it. Taste is different and I hate how fast it spoils. Milk last two weeks or so, almond milk spoils in under 7 days. So I do sometimes end up throwing half a carton away cause I didn’t eat cereal every day. I like to have some variety. I’ve changed cereal too. Ate the same cereal mostly every day for 4 months. Blah
For dinner I’m buying beef rice and chicken rice so atleast that is a slight change every 3 days. Now if only I could find bbq chicken nuggets. Besides the hunger from my diet it’s the variety I miss.
I fell off again. Family got McDonald’s. I should politely rejected. 1260, in that meal alone. Puts me at around 2,000 calories so 400 over. I shouldn’t gain any wieght but I won’t lose any.
Why is your weekly food budget only $15? From my understanding you get a disability income & also work part time. Do your essential costs of shelter/transportation/clothing/medicine etc consume all but $15/week of your income? Genuinely curious as to how your income is allocated & if that truly is all the money you have for groceries.
Dairy's pretty bad for most of us (ASD people).
Is the $15 the money you have to buy food separately from your family's food? I had a similar problem in that I felt partly that I was paying for food twice, through my board money and then buying the healthier food on top of that (which sometimes my dad would then eat

The answer for me was to learn to cook. I didn't use cook books because they have loads of ingredients (even the ones that say they don't) our store cupboards were empty (apart from the blo*dy tinned salmon) My first efforts were spag bol using a jar of ready done sauce, my dad was ecstatic, and began to buy foods that I would cook for us both. I started adding more veg to the bolenase and then not using the jar sauce at all, just using the main ingredients listed on its label (that were affordable) It was a lot easier than I thought it would be. Some things were better than others but very rarely have I made something inedible.
This did improve my position within the house as well as make it possible to control what I was eating, so my food came from the money I paid for my board again. I did have to buy the ingredients occasionally but not most of what I eat


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Is that the same thing as being lactose intolerant or are you allergic to milk? Or is it something else?
I get diarrhea, not all the time, less then or about half. It’s random. When I was young I was told not to eat dairy, but lactose milk and products were a lot back then. I dont know if I’m allergic and that’s why it does it, I drink almond milk now, but still eat cheese, high I can’t do nights before I work morning or go to the gym. I haven’t seen the doctor for it for years though. They probably assume I’ve been eating lactose free stuff lol. Almond milk is twice what milk is by the way but cheaper then it was when I was a kid. $3 for half a gallon. $3 would get a agallon of milk.
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After accounting for the exchange rate, both milk and almond milk around approx 2.5x the price here. Many people cross the border into Washington state for cheap gas milk eggs dairy beer etc. Anyways, makes me wonder just how far your food budget can stretch where you live, as well as what others in this thread can afford where they live. Maybe my diet (or any other healthy diet for that matter) would cost less in each of your regions & is actually more affordable for more people than it appears.
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Is that the same thing as being lactose intolerant or are you allergic to milk? Or is it something else?
I get diarrhea, not all the time, less then or about half. It’s random. When I was young I was told not to eat dairy, but lactose milk and products were a lot back then. I dont know if I’m allergic and that’s why it does it, I drink almond milk now, but still eat cheese, high I can’t do nights before I work morning or go to the gym. I haven’t seen the doctor for it for years though. They probably assume I’ve been eating lactose free stuff lol. Almond milk is twice what milk is by the way but cheaper then it was when I was a kid. $3 for half a gallon. $3 would get a agallon of milk.
The gallon of cows milk is £2.18 which converts to $3.03. The last time I bought almond milk it was £1.50 for a litre which converts to $4.17 half a gallon but I've never seen it sold in more than litre (2pints) size.
I used to have almond milk in my porridge for breakfast every morning I liked the taste.
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