Oh girls have it so much worse....

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thought that's the only point of bras besides push up bras.
though aren't sport bras the best for that so why don't women all wear sport bras.

Umm, what exactly does all of this have to do with love and dating?

Arguing on the internet is still a form of human contact... riiight??

Geez, women want resources from men and men want sex. How hard is this?? It's biological evolution, all your "yeah but" arguments ARE you creating the societal pressure you're whining about.
Geezuz are you all really trying to bang out a Unified Theory of Dating??


Here, how about this...
In my experience most women have no clue what they want in a man. But they will list everything they can think of on the spur of the moment like a shopping list.
Also in my experience when they meet a guy that "clicks" for them the list goes right out the window.

But that's okay, who says everybody has to know what they want and stick to everything they've said about the subject?

To understand that this is "Sexual Conflict" <link, and that deception is unavoidably an integral part, will perhaps allow us Aspies to realize that what the other gender says is not what we should base our "truth" on. We must use observation and research.

Until we can understand and accept the actual biological imperatives and the factual differences in gender needs, we'll just stay confused as how to successfully woo someone from the opposite gender.

-Most male animals want sex.
-Gestating and care giving offspring is resource intensive and a heavily gravid female will likely have little success in resource gathering, especially in the hunting arena.
-If the males help contribute resources to child rearing, the species is likely to be more successful.
-Contributing resources allows breeding for babies more often.
-If the cared-for female offers sex and exclusivity to the providing male, the male needs waste less time and resources (and competition) on finding other avenues for sex.

But making it too obvious about what we want means the potential partners might lie about their "fitness" to what we want.
Thus deception: subtlety testing until we can build confidence about the other individual's ability, desire, and commitment to provide what is important to us.

Men pretending they don't value sex and they don't expect anything in return for dinner.
And
Women pretending they don't care how much money he makes.

Want proof? (or at least a couple clues)
Men have a tendency to try to show off how much cool stuff they have.
And
Women tend to wear makeup and underwires.

You know this is generally true even it "not all men and women do that!! ! !" or even if "I don't do that!! ! ! ! ! !"

When you understand this simple behavior, you'll understand how to date long enough to figure out if you should take a chance on a person or not.



Please stop crying that it's not fair, or not equal, or mean ole society has to change.
Nothing is going to fundamentally change before you die of old age so if you want sex, or if you want a baby, stop the tantrum, grow up and cope with how life has developed over the last 4 billion years.


Grow up and accept the hard truth.
Most women must have additional resources to have a baby.
And
Most men really kinda must have sex.

How else do you think there got to be seven billion of us? Politically correct dating??

Stable means you have no reason to be interested in them. I guess this is what true love means: you really shouldn't give a s**t about them, but you do anyway.

I suspect women care much more than men do about specific details of their breasts, much like we're more concerned than them about penis size. We just want to play with them, after all.

You must be new here. This isn't the love and dating forum, it's the lets argue about gender stereotypes forum. I propose we set up an additional sub-forum where men and women can actually discuss real relationships. Although the oddballs like me who can't get into a relationship will not post there we will continue to argue here to pass the time in our lonely lives. Arguing on the internet is still a form of human contact... riiight??

Stable means you have no reason to be interested in them. I guess this is what true love means: you really shouldn't give a s**t about them, but you do anyway.

Pretty sure it means that you can live on your own in a decent way.

so no roomates?

why should he give his house that he lives in a lone, oh wait i see it so the girl can move in and mooch off of him. if he has roomates she couldn't do that.

Roomates is not so bad, in the end it's not like the other one is paying for your stuff. About the other thing, it's stupid as hell, congratulations. You can be roomates with her and share expenses, Einstein. Many people do it.

he has to be distant, independent, fine with almost never talkign to them, he has to be able to support them. o.O why if he never sees them i don't get that. he has to be over all happy not having any female contact and see women as a waste of time.