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20 Apr 2018, 3:04 pm

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Men who fail to prove their manliness by going through whatever initiation rites the group deems appropriate to earn its respect have their opinions systematically dismissed, too. In fact, not forcing the same rites on women, who would often be ill-suited to endure their rough physical nature, is a matter of chivalry. In exchange, women are denied the chance to have their opinions considered seriously.

At the end of the day, the respect any opinion gets is conditional on your willingness and readiness to accept a challenge to a physical fight from any man who doesn't like it.

Are you just telling me that men weight each other's opinion based on physical strength and willingness to physically fight?

No, but I've observed they certainly seem to have a "toughness quota" that you must meet to be taken seriously.

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20 Apr 2018, 4:12 pm

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As a man, I'm supposed to be super confident and a "leader," and I'm called f_ggot by women and men for not meeting the requirements for "manliness." As a woman, my opinion is dismissed and deemed unimportant because I don't have a meat tube swinging between my legs.

Having your opinion dismissed just because of your gender sucks and I have no doubt that this has happened to you and many other women. Yet a small minority of pop-culture feminists want to simultaneously dismiss men's opinions while also telling them to "man up" and do whatever thing it is they deem manly. It's like being pelted with both problems at the same time.

It might be more informative if you provided an example so people will better understand what you are talking about and not be left to speculate.

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20 Apr 2018, 4:24 pm

At work, my opinions get dismissed by my super alpha employer and his right hand, because I am the geeky “tech guy” who doesn’t know how to do speeches and sell something (and maybe because I am very short too).

However when I say something about what should be done and what should NOT be done (ie. selling features that don’t exist) to avoid a disaster.... I *always* turn out to be right at the end, sadly after it’s too late most of the times.

But the business people hardly learn the past mistakes.

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20 Apr 2018, 4:41 pm

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Yep. And you referred specifically to "pop-culture" feminists, too, which says a lot about where the movement is right now. There was once a time when feminism was actually about equality. I'm doubtful as to its relevance in the present time.

There's really nothing useful that anyone really contributes anymore. It breaks down into a lot of man-bashing and disagreement on how men should approach women if at all. So the best advice I think anyone can give a man is ignore feminists and do whatever it is you'd have done anyway. The best woman for you will always be among those who don't run away from you. Don't worry about the screechers in the echo chamber.

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20 Apr 2018, 4:57 pm

Feminism is totally unknown in some parts of the world. As for equal rights, that’s a common sense everywhere.

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20 Apr 2018, 10:29 pm

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I strongly agree with this.

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21 Apr 2018, 2:16 am

So, there's nothing wrong with women asking guys out, and some guys like that the women make the first move. Depends on the person, I would generally tell someone asking this question, just do it. I'm a woman, and I generally will ask guys or girls out that I'm interested in. I tend to like guys that are more shy anyways. Being kind, shy, sensitive, and not being embarrassed about it though, this is the best. I also have a general hatred towards guys that have this obsession with 'manliness' and what society is telling them. I loathe people who can't think for themselves (and even moreso, people that try to be something they aren't). Some people are more assertive, or tend to be more dominant, some more passive or submissive, some in between. The gender doesn't matter really. There is no wrong or right way for a guy or girl to be though, it's stupid that there are people out that saying that something is wrong with someone just because they don't fit their personal taste.

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21 Apr 2018, 2:20 am

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Are you me? You sound like me. Except maybe the hatred and loathing part - I wouldn't go that far, but I'm certainly not attracted to such people.

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21 Apr 2018, 3:05 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

This happens to me frequently, though not at my current place of employment. The mind boggling thing is, people then ignore the fact that I was correct.

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21 Apr 2018, 4:15 am

I think that's the key: if you want them to acknowledge something or do something sensible, be sure to give them a way to make it look like the idea was theirs all along. Never outshine the master and all that.

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21 Apr 2018, 4:24 am

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I disagree. I think a person should advocate for themselves and take credit for that which they have done.

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21 Apr 2018, 5:10 am

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Are you serious or mocking? This and the previous post I asked about?

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21 Apr 2018, 8:30 am

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The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

This happens to me frequently, though not at my current place of employment. The mind boggling thing is, people then ignore the fact that I was correct.

Was your former boss a fat buffoon à la Trump?

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21 Apr 2018, 8:42 am

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You’re probably right; these alpha-bosses often don’t like “negative” opinions; they like people who are more “We will succeed no matter how difficult the idea” (and no matter how silly it is) - the thing is, the business performance is being far from successful; so no... a blind confidence without common sense doesn’t necessarily lead to success.

that reminds me of Dilbert the comic character.

My office life is 100% like Dilbert - I swear the author must have psychic powers and could read my office life ahead of time.

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21 Apr 2018, 8:50 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

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Oh, that was advice for Boo... then I agree. This topic is so off topic even with off topic topics

Inflated ego guys can be easily manipulated with flattery and making them believe they are great etc. but it's not a natural stuff for an autistic to do.
It's also likely this is exactly why he makes illogical decisions – someone else is manipulating him to do it. Even commercials. Or clients. Or their own imagination. Your voice of reason probably won't make it through unless you learn the right strategy.

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21 Apr 2018, 3:46 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

Chronos wrote:

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

This happens to me frequently, though not at my current place of employment. The mind boggling thing is, people then ignore the fact that I was correct.

Was your former boss a fat buffoon à la Trump?

Typically these aren't bosses. Just people. I have worked with in the past.

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