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04 Jul 2009, 1:00 pm

Chav you seem to be missing my point.

What i'm saying is the aspects of christianity which appear to make it successful are nothing even remotely new as far as religeons or ideas go.
So the judeo-christian religeons are not a sign of evolution, religeon in general might be representative of certain traits we have adapted towards but just adding a new name and saying its different is rediculous.

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05 Jul 2009, 1:16 pm

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Religions are meant to explain humanity and the known universe, they do an excellent jobd.

Not sure that they do. Science does a better then your average person realizes. If asked why do human fight, no religion would make a comparison to animals in nature.

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05 Jul 2009, 1:42 pm

The book of " Sex, Time, And Power: How Women's Sexuality Shaped Human Evolution" states a theory that explains why humans created religions from evolutionist perspective.

According to the author ,the females of last homo erectus or maybe the first "transitional homo" (homo erectus to homo sapien) and the first survived homo sapiens had the crisis of delivering babies due to their narrow pelvis (due to their evolved bipedal structure) and due to the babies' big heads. Even the that day, the human babies' delivering is the most painful and the hardest compared to all other species

Because of this , our female ancestors were forced to follow their hormonal cycles and they were the first species' females who learned to refuse sex with most males even while they are ovulating, because of this new knowledge humans have learned the concept of 'time' and have learned that they are not immortal , so the concepts of heirs, keeping the legacy and religions were developed because of this...

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05 Jul 2009, 2:36 pm

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Typical anthropology for you complete stab in the dark.

I'm not saying it couldn't have gone like that just there are so many possibilities. There is no reason to take that theory at face value.

Question do chimps think they are immortal? They can witness death and even grieve. Do they even think about an abstract concept such as immortality? Or are they merely surviving. There was a visual memory test that showed that chimps did better than humans on average. That is only one small facet of their intelligence, hut they are certainly not stupid. You could surmise that they need to remember more things visually to live in the jungle. That is less far fetched than they above theory.

Hormonal cycle isn’t the only cycles they would witness. They were aware of night and day. There are other cycles they are forced to observe to do things like get food.

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05 Jul 2009, 3:16 pm

^ yea, I was thinking about the same thing, also not only the female humans who refuse to provide sex to any random male , manly females of other species do select attentively the mate to procreate with. That theory has so many flaws and his book lacks scientific data.

But hey, I said "according to the author" , it's not me who made it .

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05 Jul 2009, 4:32 pm

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/22/20090705/tu ... 6b408.html

told you :lol:

That's just it with those types of theories they don't necessarily have to be stated. All that is require at the moment is you acknowledge that there are plenty of cycles in nature, and these would undoubtedly contributed to our need to keep time.

Advanced time keeping is connected with civilizations which has agriculture among other things. There are very few true hunter gather people left in the world. Most are in the Amazon, undiscovered or only ever spotted by plane. Though from hunter gatherers that have been recorded, there and in Africa they don't have advanced time keeping like complete calendars.

The thing about immortality need a lot more work, it is a pretty shaky connection. You have to be self critical and non-speculative as possible. Good theories offer the best possible explanation available. Of course sometime it is a close call but not in this case.

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05 Jul 2009, 6:56 pm

Aspie_Chav wrote:

MDD123 wrote:

Religions are meant to explain humanity and the known universe, they do an excellent jobd.

Not sure that they do. Science does a better then your average person realizes. If asked why do human fight, no religion would make a comparison to animals in nature.

As far as getting specific goes, you're right, the sciences explain the universe in better detail, but religions can cover basic things for people who don't want to understand science as intimately as you or I do. When I say religions, I'm refering to a mix and match process and not a specific one, I personally prefer Taoism. When I study nursing, I can recall certian phrases concerning taoism and gain a more intimate understanding of what I'm studying. I can reference the bible, but I realize that there's a lot of bias in that book and I'm careful what I use to expalin things to myself. As a rule of thumb, I never expect any of this to work for other people.

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06 Jul 2009, 9:28 am

LePetitPrince wrote:

Because of this , our female ancestors were forced to follow their hormonal cycles and they were the first species' females who learned to refuse sex with most males even while they are ovulating, because of this new knowledge humans have learned the concept of 'time' and have learned that they are not immortal , so the concepts of heirs, keeping the legacy and religions were developed because of this...

I am not sure about this myself. Humankind’s behaviours and beliefs sole purpose is to help them survive in their environment; the same holds true for all animals.

Believing in a religion because humankind are scared of their own mortality, or because they need deeper meaning in their life does not compute because there are plenty of people who do not need meaning in their lives and willing to accept their own mortality same holds true of animals, aspies and even chavs, who are seldom ever religious.

One of the primary reasons why religion exist is as a way of governing and ruling the people. A system based on truth and logic would not be as effective way of controlling people. Which is the primery reason why ilogicaly minded NTs vastly outnumber aspies.

The most successful religions are often very politicized, and do not concern themselves much with mother earth, tree hugging and hippy related issues. Christianity itself is follow the same pattern as big brother in Orwells 1984

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WAR IS PEACE? If you took away the delusion that humanity needs to be saved from Satanic forces, I doubt most Christian fundamentalists would know what to do with themselves. It seems they're never more at home than when they're imagining yet another specter for their followers to be terrified or outraged at. Andrew White beat me to saying it: "The main doctrine of a fanatic's creed is that his enemies are the enemies of God."

FREEDOM IS SLAVERY? Fundamentalists tell me over and over that while I might feel free for not sharing their beliefs, it just makes me a slave of Satan. The individual is always defeated, says the Party. Doing what we want or enjoy (even our basic human rights) always leads to ruin and death, say the Christian fundamentalists. As with the Party, the slogan's reverse is also believed by the fundamentalists - slavery is freedom. Believing in the absurd, repressive claptrap that they take from the Bible is supposed to make us "free".

IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH? One word: Creationism. A few more: who was told not to eat from the "Tree of Knowledge"? It never fails - Christian fundamentalists always argue the hardest against what they understand the least. For example, why do many of them still think [fill in the blank] is an occult (ooops, now it's "secular humanist") lure into murder and suicide, despite having no evidence that will stand up with any secular organization even remotely concerned with murder, suicide, and mental illness? Oh, wait, almost forgot - that's because Satan's influence has got them fooled real good. There just isn't any reasoning with fundamentalists. Which is exactly the point - any good fundamentalist can tell you faith is far more important than the world's logic or knowledge. The worst ones will even say that faith is the only logic and knowledge. Kind of like how the only way to see reality is through the eyes of the Party. How many fingers, Winston?

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06 Jul 2009, 12:37 pm

I like your explanation a lot better Aspie_Chav, to me, I think of religions as a series of advice that need a disclaimer because of the controlling nature of some of the advice. I'm more interested in being sustainable than fighting this big evil force out there, because I can't look for a big evil force without seeing a part of me.

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