Why do a lot of women do this...?

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16 Sep 2009, 3:36 pm

That's why I'm single I can't deal with the way women like to control everything in the realthionship and when things don't go their way they get mad and they have double standards.



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16 Sep 2009, 3:48 pm

But at some point this all becomes laughable because you can't blame an entire gender for you being single (you meaning the general you, not a specific poster). Yes there are women like that, and there are also women who are not like that. Yes there are men who try to change women and there are men who don't.

The gender sweeping brush that gets thrown around this joint is quite a big one. You would think we would learn from the other 23479708 posts we've had that do this.

I have to agree with LPP (*gasp* ;) ) that the poop would have hit the fan by the third post if a guy had posted that information.



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16 Sep 2009, 4:14 pm

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I know why women do it: because they can. The two waves of feminism, in the 70's and in the 90's, effectively stripped men of all their power in the home. (The movements in the late 19th century, like women's right to vote, did not have such an effect; if anything, they made society better.) While in the past, such as in the "Leave it to Beaver" era, men could have their say and give a proper response to what the OP described. Not anymore. Now women can nag, nitpick, insult, and yell at their husbands/boyfriends, and men have little choice but to sit quietly and take it. Watch any sitcom, and the pattern is the same everywhere; and don't tell me "it's just fiction", because the idea to write it had to have come from somewhere. And it seems to be getting worse and worse. I'll be in a cemetery by the time men become nothing more than breeding instruments for women, but I can't help but worry for my future sons. Heck, they already created synthetic sperm from an egg cell.



Have you ever noticed this trend of the TV series in the late 90's? :P Such as Xena, La Femme nikita , Buffy (buffy is far less extreme than others tho) ... it is nice to change the gender of the main character of an action series just for a change , but what's really special in those series that almost all male figures are shown as crude, idiot, mindless , sexually starved ,harassers and ....wimps ,except some very few alpha male characters who are shown as cool and confident (such as Hercules and Ares in Xena , Angel and Spike in buffy ....yes, right, Spike).

The smart , intelligent and well-respected villains are always female too in those series, while their male thugs have all the traits said above.



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16 Sep 2009, 4:32 pm

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I know why women do it: because they can. The two waves of feminism, in the 70's and in the 90's, effectively stripped men of all their power in the home. (The movements in the late 19th century, like women's right to vote, did not have such an effect; if anything, they made society better.) While in the past, such as in the "Leave it to Beaver" era, men could have their say and give a proper response to what the OP described. Not anymore. Now women can nag, nitpick, insult, and yell at their husbands/boyfriends, and men have little choice but to sit quietly and take it. Watch any sitcom, and the pattern is the same everywhere; and don't tell me "it's just fiction", because the idea to write it had to have come from somewhere. And it seems to be getting worse and worse. I'll be in a cemetery by the time men become nothing more than breeding instruments for women, but I can't help but worry for my future sons. Heck, they already created synthetic sperm from an egg cell.

Don't get me wrong. I'm more than sure that originally, feminism had great ideals in mind about equalizing society. But it took a small group of highly charismatic but aggressive individuals to completely twist it out of context and give it a bad name. It's things like this that make me glad I'm not going to live forever, because our society is not getting any better.

OP, you're really awesome; I'd like to shake your hand. You seem to be the type of woman who takes equal rights and responsibilities. There needs to be more people like you. If WP had a rep point system, I'd give you a lot of points.


Men have a choice. They can stay single. What really happened with feminism, in a nutshell, is that women stopped having to take it. Women gained the ability to remain single or to survive single if divorced. Which means that women don't have to have a man in order to survive since we can hold jobs of our own. So now it is more equitable. If men don't like the behaviour of women, they can stay single. If women don't like the behaviour of men, they can stay single. That looks very reasonable to me.

But like Willard said, this doesn't bother NT men anywhere near as much as it bothers Aspie men. NT men shrug it off and go cheat. Or shrug it off and complain to their friends over a beer.



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16 Sep 2009, 4:34 pm

Janissy wrote:
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I know why women do it: because they can. The two waves of feminism, in the 70's and in the 90's, effectively stripped men of all their power in the home. (The movements in the late 19th century, like women's right to vote, did not have such an effect; if anything, they made society better.) While in the past, such as in the "Leave it to Beaver" era, men could have their say and give a proper response to what the OP described. Not anymore. Now women can nag, nitpick, insult, and yell at their husbands/boyfriends, and men have little choice but to sit quietly and take it. Watch any sitcom, and the pattern is the same everywhere; and don't tell me "it's just fiction", because the idea to write it had to have come from somewhere. And it seems to be getting worse and worse. I'll be in a cemetery by the time men become nothing more than breeding instruments for women, but I can't help but worry for my future sons. Heck, they already created synthetic sperm from an egg cell.

Don't get me wrong. I'm more than sure that originally, feminism had great ideals in mind about equalizing society. But it took a small group of highly charismatic but aggressive individuals to completely twist it out of context and give it a bad name. It's things like this that make me glad I'm not going to live forever, because our society is not getting any better.

OP, you're really awesome; I'd like to shake your hand. You seem to be the type of woman who takes equal rights and responsibilities. There needs to be more people like you. If WP had a rep point system, I'd give you a lot of points.


Men have a choice. They can stay single. What really happened with feminism, in a nutshell, is that women stopped having to take it. Women gained the ability to remain single or to survive single if divorced. Which means that women don't have to have a man in order to survive since we can hold jobs of our own. So now it is more equitable. If men don't like the behaviour of women, they can stay single. If women don't like the behaviour of men, they can stay single. That looks very reasonable to me.

But like Willard said, this doesn't bother NT men anywhere near as much as it bothers Aspie men. NT men shrug it off and go cheat. Or shrug it off and complain to their friends over a beer.


but Aspie1 is not single



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16 Sep 2009, 5:36 pm

CelticGoddess, I agree with you; not all women are like that. However, most that I have encountered were (I guess it's bad luck?). Oh, as for my post earlier - Men should NEVER try to change women either (or especially, control). Just respect that the one has interests that the other doesn't have and vice versa.



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16 Sep 2009, 5:42 pm

My friend's boyfriend calls himself the "hausfrau"(and camps it up when he says so). He is a bit OCD about tidying and cleanliness and technology, she is more lackadaisical. She works very long hours in a job she loathes, he does part time work. As the years have gone on, they have switched roles a few times, depending on who was working and who was studying. They are not particularly PC, or concerned with gender politics, it's a practicality issue, if you both want to live in a certain level of habitation, the bulk of the maintainance goes to whoever has the most time to do it. I suppose after so many years, they have the same standards when it comes to their surroundings, maybe because they got together in their early teens, so they have grown up together. Maybe when people bring different priorities to a shared situation, and don't change to harmonise this doesn't happen.

They bicker/nag, but it's just banter, which goes surreal and into comedy. As they told me, if they didn't diffuse the stresses as they went along, and make a joke of it, they'd just end up having an enormous row that they would pile every resentment into at once. They are both my friends, as individuals not just as a homogenised "couple", they do diffferent things seperately yet are the most stable relationship I know of.


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16 Sep 2009, 5:53 pm

LePetitPrince wrote:
but Aspie1 is not single

Actually, I am single.

Given the how a lot of marriages are (powerful wife, henpecked husband), nothing can convince me to get married. I've had relationships, and one of the reasons why I enjoyed them is that I was never "locked in", and could get away if relationship became intolerable. Maybe it's an aspie thing, that I'm able to remain super-rational and not get swept away by the "in love" feelings. But most importantly, with a marriage, a man can't escape without losing half his assets and/or custody of his kids. Even prenuptials don't fully prevent the loss. That's why NT men "shrug it off" and complain to their friends over a beer; their kids are very important to them, enough to put up with the marriage. Don't get me wrong: I fully support women's right. But in most marriages, it's not just rights; it's supremacy.

To lighten the mood a little, here's a joke. An engaged couple is doing a wedding rehearsal. Suddenly, the minister blurts out: "Sir, you're supposed to say 'I do', not 'fine, I'll do it.'"



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16 Sep 2009, 6:43 pm

Aspie1 has a point. And what Janissy said about NT men is not correct, it bothers them as well.
Why is there a women's forum here but not a men's forum?



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16 Sep 2009, 7:03 pm

I guess women are set up differently emotionally to men. Yes they can nag. Yes they can be high maintenance. But it is these qualities that also contribute to the positive side of womanhood. Women nag because they care.

They are high maintenance because they tend to have more of their brain devoted to emotion.. this is necessary for motherhood as why else would a woman pretty much let other little human beings hijack her life for 20+ years if there was no neurological drive to be so focused on other people?

Men are more often than not wired to be out in the world, looking for things to contribute, or helping protect others from harm. Of course they have their parental instinct but that is often more expressed in practical ways. I think the lines can be blurred, particularly the gender lines with AS people, which is why we are having such a discussion.


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16 Sep 2009, 7:09 pm

Carlofirst wrote:
Why is there a women's forum here but not a men's forum?


#insert tongue_n_cheek
Men don't b***h and moan. When confronted with a problem get into the solution finding mode and resolve the issue. In the case of emotions, avoid the issue altogether.

So figure out the solution yourself or avoid the problem. What do you need a support group for? What are we, a bunch of women?

Okay okay, IF and it's a big IF we don't know where to start with a problem (e.g. Hey, how do I meet hot chicks) THEN we may ask. The problem is, when confronting problems, the typical male responses can set in:

"Hey, where do I go to meet some good looking girls"
"Your sister is good looking"
"Shut up"
"That's what I told your momma last night"



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16 Sep 2009, 9:05 pm

Come to think about it, I'm wondering why too. I'd never do that.

In fact, maybe when I do get married (IF I get married), my husband might consider himself lucky if he knows how most women act. I'd let him spend as much "me time" as he wants, and if doing all the house work is expected of me, then that's what I'll do. I'll only ask for occasional help, never complain. If he comes home drunk, I will not question where he has been (but he must not abuse me at all). In fact, I will not do any of the stupid things that most women do.



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16 Sep 2009, 10:06 pm

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Quick question.. have you EVER been with anyone you're REALLY into? Because I had a similar train of thought before I had.


Me too. A partnership should be equal, and sometimes the supposedly trivial things can be really hurtful once they pile up - especially when you go out of your way for them and they don't return it.

I understand what the OP means though, but as of recently I am starting to understand the other side of things too. Things are always way more complicated than they seem.


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16 Sep 2009, 10:07 pm

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hale_bopp wrote:
Quick question.. have you EVER been with anyone you're REALLY into? Because I had a similar train of thought before I had.


Me too. A partnership should be equal, and sometimes the supposedly trivial things can be really hurtful once they pile up - especially when you go out of your way for them and they don't return it.

I understand what the OP means though, but as of recently I am starting to understand the other side of things too. Things are always way more complicated than they seem.


Seconded.


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16 Sep 2009, 11:31 pm

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-women nagging the man to do housework. Or handy work. Or nagging them to get off the TV (or in some cases Computer/Video Game) and PAY ATTENTION to her.

-women getting upset over something a guy does that seems so freaking trivial I roll my eyes at it.

-women withholding intimacy because they're mad over said freaking trivial event

-women constantly wanting to text/call/monopolize the poor guy's time without a break for his own "me time".

-women criticizing what the man eats, his weight and what to do about it, how he chooses to spend his 'me time'.

-wanting to 'talk' and turning it into a big argument

-demanding the guy take her to see a chick flick that he clearly will not enjoy.

-criticizing or making fun of his hobby, or calling it a waste of time/money


Women crave control, and a lot of them view their male SOs as beneath them, like an older sibling views a younger sibling. WOMEN DO NOT VIEW MEN AS THEIR EQUALS.

And this is why I will never get married or have a girlfriend. I am a grown man, and therefore I am going to do what I want. I already have one mother, I don't want another one.



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17 Sep 2009, 2:10 am

Tim_Tex wrote:
sunshower wrote:
hale_bopp wrote:
Quick question.. have you EVER been with anyone you're REALLY into? Because I had a similar train of thought before I had.


Me too. A partnership should be equal, and sometimes the supposedly trivial things can be really hurtful once they pile up - especially when you go out of your way for them and they don't return it.

I understand what the OP means though, but as of recently I am starting to understand the other side of things too. Things are always way more complicated than they seem.


Seconded.


Thirded.


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