Feminism, blessing or disaster?

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Bah. I wish women were actually interested in equality. Who said they want the best of both worlds? It is true!

They want equal pay and equal job opportunities. Yes absolutely. But they don't want equality of the sexes. They don't! Men are expected to provide, expected to pick up the bill, open the door, pickup the woman in our manly trucks and drive her to her chores. And when the (almost) inevitable divorce comes, the woman gets everything and the kids, and the man ends up in a rental apartment with an empty bank account.

Don't get me started on harrasment complaints. Any woman could get a guy fired, or send a guy to jail just by making a complaint. It isn't true the other way around.

It is messed up.

I wish the sexes were truly equal and the gender roles abolished once and for all.

Normally I would be reluctant to derail the original topic, but I don't think there IS a topic in this case, merely an inflammatory question with no context.

Perhaps once derailed, the thread might only improve... or at least become so cartoonish it can't possibly be taken seriously by mistake.

Seems yet again another we have another misconception of females who seem to be one and the same person....

I would luv to know what special bias treatment you're talking about. FYI about sexual harassment, it does happen and don't worry, if there's no substantial proof of it, then you have nothing to worry about it. There are many complaints that go to deaf ears.

And don't get me started on "man jobs". There are many guys who are of the opinion that a woman couldn't handle or opperate heavy machinery or that it's a man's job to work in the fire department. I hear the same crap in a different brand all the time. Women can't do this, women are this, women don't know how to do this, women are fickled brain when it comes to this, women want special priveledges....

Heck I bet special priveledge could also mean a woman who got to be president of the U.S.

BTW, there are plenty of hard working women who are single parents so being a female is not a blessing it's probably just the opposite...

It's been good for me. Never married, no children and no pressure to do either. Pity it never resulted in many women entering the tech fields.

PS I'm male.

I've been accused of sexual harassment, twice. The first time, I simply said "good morning" to a girl at work every morning before I went home from midnight shift - she was the first person I would see every day, and it simply seemed like the polite thing to do, and she seemed like a nice enough woman. When I found myself dragged into the office so the managers could talk to me about my "threatening behavior", I don't know what was worse - the fact that I was accused of harassment at all, or the fact that the (female) managers laughed about it, and said I didn't have an aggressive bone in my body - effectively, they said they thought I was too big a wimp to be a creep. Nevertheless, I never said another word to the woman, and she never said another word to me, and we got along fine after that.

The second time I was dragged into an office and warned about sexually harassing my co-workers, was because I was seen hugging my mother and wishing her a happy mother's day before I started work. Different job, and the managers were not laughing about that one, even when I said "Are you kidding me? Hugging my mother on mother's day made my co-workers feel sexually threatened and harassed? Who would say such a thing?" (For the record, asking "who would say such a thing?" only makes things worse, as it apparently looks like you are trying to find out who your accuser is, so you can retaliate. That "additional offense" was added to my record for further investigation, too.) Nothing else ever came of that sexual harassment complaint (it was apparently dropped sometime during the investigation and I was never told that the investigation ended - I'd like to think it was dropped because it was an exceptionally stupid complaint), but the managers and several of my co-workers were exceptionally rude and nasty to me after that, and I never really figured out what the problem was - I figure there was something more than the bogus harassment complaint, and guess it's probably something about me that just rubbed them the wrong way, and I've concluded there's nothing really that can be done about that.

I survived the accusations both times, and based on my experience, it seems that getting accused of sexual harassment isn't really the end of the world.

I did see a woman get fired for sexual harassment once. She couldn't keep her hands off the guys, would touch them in inappropriate ways, and corner us and tell us about how she enjoys being filmed in amateur porn movies. She told me she wanted to rape me, and explained the mechanics of how such a thing was possible while I did my best to ignore her. She made me very, very uncomfortable, I found her rather creepy and revolting, but I never complained - I was too embarrassed to; fortunately, it seems someone else turned her in eventually; I guess my other managers were right about me being too wimpy. In any case, if that's what women have to put up with all day long every day, I guess I can't blame them for getting upset when I say good morning to them, or if they see me hug my mother once a year. (But thank goodness for the ones who don't feel threatened by me - it makes me so happy when they say good morning to me! )


I have no idea where I'm going with any of that - I don't really have a point to make.

I think different people are going to hold different definitions of feminism. Yes, some are prissy little snobs who want everything handed to them, but they shouldn't be used as the definition.

Sane women just want to be treated fairly. They expect equal opportunities and equal pay, but when it comes to relationships and finance they're more than willing to do their part. My first girlfriend was a perfect example of this. She expected fair treatment, but was more than willing to do her share.

Guy who gets it. Bravo.