If a partner doesn't lead to happiness...
Mark198423 wrote:
This is pretty much exactally how I feel right now. I don't do the voulentary work as I have a full time job but the rest is pretty similar. You also mentioned in a later post you had a relationship last year - me too! It ended after 18 months on the day before new years eve but before that I was quite happy.
It bugs me that people can't seem to understand and just deal out the same advice. Emlion, who as someone already mentioned, seems to be someone who needs a relationship says she still knew her good qualities, etc. Well so do I, but I still feel very much like TOS right now. I'm about 2 months into starting Citalopram and it's helping a little but I still don't really feel too much better. Right now I can't see which way to go so I definitely feel for you Toad.
It bugs me that people can't seem to understand and just deal out the same advice. Emlion, who as someone already mentioned, seems to be someone who needs a relationship says she still knew her good qualities, etc. Well so do I, but I still feel very much like TOS right now. I'm about 2 months into starting Citalopram and it's helping a little but I still don't really feel too much better. Right now I can't see which way to go so I definitely feel for you Toad.
Mark, you need to read this:
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as long as you look for validation from others for everything that you are and do, you'll keep being very unhappy. Who you are has little to do with the way others see you - do you even know who you are? Do you exist otherwise than in relation to others? Your own strengths and weaknesses exist independently and they will always be there regardless of how and if they are perceived form outside. Explore them, learn to use them - it makes no difference if X thinks you're a loser or if Y is happy while you're not. There's an infinity of nuances between extremes - you don't have to love yourself to the point of narcissism or hate everything about you. Accept yourself and stop letting others define who you are - you're condemning yourself to a perpetual emotional hell.
And I know you won't get it now or anytime soon, but once you get it you'll never go back.
nthach wrote:
I watch Jersey Shore just for comedic value. Although I will say, I was in New York back in August and I stayed in New Jersey and the part of Jersey I stayed at(Bergen County, near Hoboken and Weehawken, and a stone's throw across the Hudson from Manhattan) was full of Cubans and Puerto Ricans.
Yeah that's to be expected. Newark (and Jersey City to a lesser extent) have a bunch of those too. Most of the douchebags are concentrated on the entire length of the shore (especially during summer), and in the more affluent northern areas of Bergen Country (where Teresa from Real Housewives hails from). Unfortunately I get exposed to a lot of both... Of course, there are areas where you wouldn't think you were in NJ either. Like the more inland parts of the state, it's practically Pennsylvania...
Weird how this degenerated in a Jersey Shore thread
Toad - I've never had a go at you or called you a loser and it was actually the first time I tried to offer "advice" - did you read my post?
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Sallamandrina wrote:
Weird how this degenerated in a Jersey Shore thread 
Yeah, that one is my fault. Still, that stands as an icon of what I could become if I don't remain vigilant against my own ego...
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Toad - I've never had a go at you or called you a loser and it was actually the first time I tried to offer "advice" - did you read my post?
Yes, I did, and I already said that human nature makes people inflate their own achievements and skills such that anyone talking positively about themselves is an unreliable judge of their own character. I need the outside evidence to corroborate my self-worth, or I have to question it in its entirety. Also, by downplaying myself, the response from others is always more positive than my own self-opinion, which means nobody can hurt me... I am effectively invincible. That protection from emotional harm is well worth it.
ToadOfSteel wrote:
Sallamandrina wrote:
Weird how this degenerated in a Jersey Shore thread 
Yeah, that one is my fault. Still, that stands as an icon of what I could become if I don't remain vigilant against my own ego...
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Toad - I've never had a go at you or called you a loser and it was actually the first time I tried to offer "advice" - did you read my post?
Yes, I did, and I already said that human nature makes people inflate their own achievements and skills such that anyone talking positively about themselves is an unreliable judge of their own character. I need the outside evidence to corroborate my self-worth, or I have to question it in its entirety. Also, by downplaying myself, the response from others is always more positive than my own self-opinion, which means nobody can hurt me... I am effectively invincible. That protection from emotional harm is well worth it.Sometimes, you just gonna drop everything and not give a f**k. Granted, I have problems dropping my guard down but if I go with the flow with no expectations of landing a date and/or phone number I'll have a good time as well as have a experience to build upon.
I just think the way Aspie male brain operates by using logic and systematization makes functioning socially much harder.
Kilroy wrote:
billsmithglendale wrote:
Kilroy wrote:
how do you know that?
he could be a nice guy
he could be a nice guy
Watch Jersey Shore, and then you will know as well. The guy really is a huge douche, TOS is not being unreasonable or haterish here.
thats a tv show, its all acting, even if its labeled as real
There's a difference between acting and playing something up. Contrary to what you might think, people on talk shows aren't paid actors -- they're real people. Believe me that you could never find quality actors that are as ugly and toothless as the people on Maury, etc., and that certainly would have to be quality acting to portray the kind of pain they do.
Those Jersey Shore folks play it up, but that's pretty much them. Yeah, they go overboard for the cameras, but at the end of the day, they really are cooped up there together with a camera in their face while they play out their lives.
It's the whole point of reality TV, and why you have seen it so much this decade -- it's much cheaper to produce than scripted dramas or sitcoms.
The recipe -- find 5+ idiots, cram them in a house together, bring cameras, booze, and watch sparks fly.
And really, you would have to be a douche to be on that show, acting or not.
Conclusion -- The Situation is a douche, either way.
nthach wrote:
ToadOfSteel wrote:
Sallamandrina wrote:
Weird how this degenerated in a Jersey Shore thread 
Yeah, that one is my fault. Still, that stands as an icon of what I could become if I don't remain vigilant against my own ego...
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Toad - I've never had a go at you or called you a loser and it was actually the first time I tried to offer "advice" - did you read my post?
Yes, I did, and I already said that human nature makes people inflate their own achievements and skills such that anyone talking positively about themselves is an unreliable judge of their own character. I need the outside evidence to corroborate my self-worth, or I have to question it in its entirety. Also, by downplaying myself, the response from others is always more positive than my own self-opinion, which means nobody can hurt me... I am effectively invincible. That protection from emotional harm is well worth it.Sometimes, you just gonna drop everything and not give a f**k. Granted, I have problems dropping my guard down but if I go with the flow with no expectations of landing a date and/or phone number I'll have a good time as well as have a experience to build upon.
I just think the way Aspie male brain operates by using logic and systematization makes functioning socially much harder.
Bingo! We way overthink things. I used to take it personally when someone would tell me this, but now, many years later, I see their point.
ToadOfSteel wrote:
Yes, I did, and I already said that human nature makes people inflate their own achievements and skills such that anyone talking positively about themselves is an unreliable judge of their own character. I need the outside evidence to corroborate my self-worth, or I have to question it in its entirety. Also, by downplaying myself, the response from others is always more positive than my own self-opinion, which means nobody can hurt me... I am effectively invincible. That protection from emotional harm is well worth it.
It's not about inflating your ego and achievements - people who do that are usually quite deluded - and others are also very subjective when judging you, what they think is not "evidence". Exploring and getting to know yourself can give you in time a reasonably objective idea of your weakness and strengths and the tools to use them. Practising them and understanding your limits would lead to acceptance and more confidence.
My only concern with what you say is that relying so heavily on others will invite abuse and manipulation and you might get very badly hurt.
But I won't press this, I have a feeling it's not what you want to hear.
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billsmithglendale wrote:
nthach wrote:
ToadOfSteel wrote:
Sallamandrina wrote:
Weird how this degenerated in a Jersey Shore thread 
Yeah, that one is my fault. Still, that stands as an icon of what I could become if I don't remain vigilant against my own ego...
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Toad - I've never had a go at you or called you a loser and it was actually the first time I tried to offer "advice" - did you read my post?
Yes, I did, and I already said that human nature makes people inflate their own achievements and skills such that anyone talking positively about themselves is an unreliable judge of their own character. I need the outside evidence to corroborate my self-worth, or I have to question it in its entirety. Also, by downplaying myself, the response from others is always more positive than my own self-opinion, which means nobody can hurt me... I am effectively invincible. That protection from emotional harm is well worth it.Sometimes, you just gonna drop everything and not give a f**k. Granted, I have problems dropping my guard down but if I go with the flow with no expectations of landing a date and/or phone number I'll have a good time as well as have a experience to build upon.
I just think the way Aspie male brain operates by using logic and systematization makes functioning socially much harder.
Bingo! We way overthink things. I used to take it personally when someone would tell me this, but now, many years later, I see their point.
I've been told by many I try way, way too hard to impress people. I wish I could shut down my Aspie tendencies in social situations.
billsmithglendale wrote:
RICKY5 wrote:
ToadOfSteel wrote:
Pistonhead wrote:
ToadOfSteel wrote:
Except now you just sound like a douchebag... I don't want to be one of those. I live in New Jersey, after all... I don't want to become the stereotypical New Jerseyan...
So you think you are better than me now huh?
Watch Jersey Shore and decide for yourself. Or don't... you'll save brain cells that way.
Look at someone like "The Situation", he's an idiot who probably couldn't do most things to save his life yet women FLOCK to him and are ready to give them the only thing valuable they have (affection/sex/love).
Why is that?
As for New Jersey, it is probably my least favorite state, right up there with Massachusetts.
Having a partner does not lead to happiness.
Let's remember that the Situation was pretty much the most desperate loser of the bunch before he got famous. So first season, he was actually pretty pathetic and couldn't land anyone. Once you become famous, it isn't that hard to find someone, though that someone may very well just be an attention whore hanger-on trying to get some fame for themselves or a rep with your friends - "I dumped Situation!"
The second season was a farce, I stopped watching it. Now they are all relatively rich and famous, so the circumstance of them all living together and having to share a room is so ridiculous and contrived (even more so than season one, where it would be believable that people of their income level would have to share rooms and pool resources) as to make suspension of disbelief impossible.
You'll also notice Situation is much less of a jerk and a hater in the 2nd season, because now he is actually getting dates and girlfriends -- he's working through some of the issues that made him such an idiot juice-head in the first place. Haters hate because they don't get what they want, and others do -- that's why he was so awful and Machiavellian in season 1.
why are you guys watching a soap opera? lol!
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Kilroy wrote:
billsmithglendale wrote:
Kilroy wrote:
how do you know that?
he could be a nice guy
he could be a nice guy
Watch Jersey Shore, and then you will know as well. The guy really is a huge douche, TOS is not being unreasonable or haterish here.
thats a tv show, its all acting, even if its labeled as real
Having been to parts of New Jersey (West Essex) and knowing a handful of people from that area... no it's not acting. There are people who do look and act that much of a douche bag.
I can't believe women from outside this area find guys like that attractive.
Having a partner should be a supplement. There's nothing wrong with being happy that you have someone...it's that when you depend on one, and aren't happy alone, especially at a young age.
I also think people get too caught up in the moment and the "Wow, I have a boyfriend/girlfriend that I like" phase instead of taking things slow and making sure you're compatible.
Quartz11 wrote:
Kilroy wrote:
billsmithglendale wrote:
Kilroy wrote:
how do you know that?
he could be a nice guy
he could be a nice guy
Watch Jersey Shore, and then you will know as well. The guy really is a huge douche, TOS is not being unreasonable or haterish here.
thats a tv show, its all acting, even if its labeled as real
Having been to parts of New Jersey (West Essex) and knowing a handful of people from that area... no it's not acting. There are people who do look and act that much of a douche bag.
I can't believe women from outside this area find guys like that attractive.
orly, and who should women find attractive?!
