What causes men to do this?
metaphysics wrote:
I agree.
Not forgetting that some guys like their wives to behave like whores, and those women embrace that.
It's all very complex but in the vast majority of cases, it's a no.
I'd never say something like that not because I think it's rude but because I'd be petrified if she said yes!
MollyTroubletail wrote:
Looking for insight as to mens' motivation and purpose in doing this:
I'll be discussing something with a man, and it will be going fine, a normal discussion about (say) chemistry or about canoeing or even about popsicles. All of a sudden, completely out of the blue, he will make a totally nonsense comment of a sexual nature that's unrelated to our discussion.
For example,
Me: It's so hot today that I ate three of those huge Freezies in a row, and froze my mouth. I guess that wasn't such a smart thing to do.
Him: Yeah, I heard that it's not uncommon for little kids to show up in emergency rooms with frostbite on their tongue in summertime. I'd love to f*ck you with a popsicle to cool you off.
Me: Why did you say that? Are you saying you want to talk about having sex with me, or are we still talking about frostbite?
At this point the man gets angry and acts irritated with me. I do not know why. I have suspected that perhaps he is trying to make a sort of crude sexual joke.....but if it's a joke, then where's the punchline? What is the humour in it? If it's not a joke, and he's really trying to initiate an interest in sexual activity, then why should he get angry when I ask whether he wants to discuss sex?
If we were discussing bananas, for example, and he said to me that he only likes them quite ripe and without a hint of green, and I replied by saying to him, "I know what you mean, green bananas have a funny texture and taste. By the way, I'd like to stick a nice, ripe banana up your *ss." Would the man enjoy that comment or think it's sexy of me to say it?
I don't understand this and it happens quite a lot, with many different men. Any insight as to the intentions of this odd behaviour, and the proper response? By the way, I am not offended by nor do I mind sexual comments in general. It's the way these comments are so sudden, odd, and inexplicable that's bothering me, plus the mens' angry/irritated responses to my asking what they meant.
I'll be discussing something with a man, and it will be going fine, a normal discussion about (say) chemistry or about canoeing or even about popsicles. All of a sudden, completely out of the blue, he will make a totally nonsense comment of a sexual nature that's unrelated to our discussion.
For example,
Me: It's so hot today that I ate three of those huge Freezies in a row, and froze my mouth. I guess that wasn't such a smart thing to do.
Him: Yeah, I heard that it's not uncommon for little kids to show up in emergency rooms with frostbite on their tongue in summertime. I'd love to f*ck you with a popsicle to cool you off.
Me: Why did you say that? Are you saying you want to talk about having sex with me, or are we still talking about frostbite?
At this point the man gets angry and acts irritated with me. I do not know why. I have suspected that perhaps he is trying to make a sort of crude sexual joke.....but if it's a joke, then where's the punchline? What is the humour in it? If it's not a joke, and he's really trying to initiate an interest in sexual activity, then why should he get angry when I ask whether he wants to discuss sex?
If we were discussing bananas, for example, and he said to me that he only likes them quite ripe and without a hint of green, and I replied by saying to him, "I know what you mean, green bananas have a funny texture and taste. By the way, I'd like to stick a nice, ripe banana up your *ss." Would the man enjoy that comment or think it's sexy of me to say it?
I don't understand this and it happens quite a lot, with many different men. Any insight as to the intentions of this odd behaviour, and the proper response? By the way, I am not offended by nor do I mind sexual comments in general. It's the way these comments are so sudden, odd, and inexplicable that's bothering me, plus the mens' angry/irritated responses to my asking what they meant.
Sounds a bit like they've been reading PUA material.
One common theme in these seduction courses is to turn the conversation sexual as soon as possible.
Lol..sounds like they got annoyed when the BS their Guru told them didn't work out.
Me thinks they would have MUCH better luck trying such lines in a bar or similar setting.
MollyTroubletail wrote:
Yes I can, and I can teach anyone else to do it too, it's not difficult. I can teach men how to get dates as well as women. That does not mean I dress provocatively. I've simply had enough sales and negotiation training in my working life to be able to sell/negotiate for nearly anything I want, including dates.... jobs.... special favours from professors.... special prices from vendors.... jump to the top of waiting lists..... etc. etc. All these things are based on training in sales and negotiating, not on dressing "provocatively". If I was really a conceited woman who thought I was better than everyone else, I'd never tell you that I could teach nearly any of you how to do the same things I've learned how to do. If I was conceited, I'd attempt to make you think I had a special personal magnetism that could not be replicated by all the rest of you. But I am not conceited because I honestly maintain that almost all of you, if you had my training, could do very much the same sorts of things.
Unless one is hiring a prostitute, what does negotiation have to do with getting a date? "Go on a date with me, and I'll throw in a free toaster!"? Negotiation implies trying to find an agreement where both parties feel they are exchanging consideration of roughly equal value. In a sale at a conventional retail store, there's not much room for negotiation; prices are listed for items to purchase, and the customer can either accept or reject. Sales suggests techniques of persuasion (manipulation?), advertising, marketing, and public relations to increase the perception of value, giving you more leverage in negotiations.
NeantHumain wrote:
Unless one is hiring a prostitute, what does negotiation have to do with getting a date? "Go on a date with me, and I'll throw in a free toaster!"? Negotiation implies trying to find an agreement where both parties feel they are exchanging consideration of roughly equal value. In a sale at a conventional retail store, there's not much room for negotiation; prices are listed for items to purchase, and the customer can either accept or reject. Sales suggests techniques of persuasion (manipulation?), advertising, marketing, and public relations to increase the perception of value, giving you more leverage in negotiations.
Not everybody takes dating so seriously. You treat dating like it's life or death, some people treat dating like it's what they'll be eating that night. To those it's negotiable.
Not me ofc, i take it seriously too, but there are people that don't
ok wait. let me get this straight. you said this in the other thread:
MollyTroubletail wrote:
You turn a man on, and he'll date you no problem. It is just that pure and simple. And believe me, it's easy to turn men on. Hair, makeup, cleavage, ass, and sexy shoes. That's it. It's the secret recipe.
yet... now you are saying:
MollyTroubletail wrote:
All these things are based on training in sales and negotiating, not on dressing "provocatively".
that's an interesting 180' turn.
i don't care to have the power to manipulate men in the manner that you do. it is as bad an any PUA and when a person makes claims like that it makes me wonder whether they actually possess a conscience. personally... i DO have a conscience, so i have no use for techniques like that. i would not want to learn to behave like a sociopath. from Glenn Sack:
Venus: The Dark Side - Female Sociopaths, Emotional & Manipulative Abuse Against Men wrote:
She believes she is entitled to everything she desires. With an overdeveloped sense of self, working for what she wants is an inconvenience. Hard work is for everybody else. She wants the fast buck and the short-cut to success. Becoming a social parasite is quicker than toiling for anything. And when she pulls it off, she can then congratulate herself on cheating, conning or defrauding others who may be more intelligent or successful than she is.
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Her every whim must be accommodated. Humility is alien to her. She is self-centered, opinionated and over-confident, and expects to be pampered and treated as superior.
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She will seem very loving and capable of intimacy and will pretend to care. However the intimacy, depth and commitment are illusions. They merely enable her to collect what she wants. Her true colors show only when all other tactics fail.
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She’s quite happy to steal her best friend’s boyfriend. It’s a great way to prove she has what it takes to be desirable, and simultaneously to prove the shallowness of the man and the delusion of her friend.
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She may cause problems just to attract attention to herself, because she likes to feel important.
She is meticulously turned out, expertly masking her inner personality cracks with flawless make-up, perfect hair and an extensive wardrobe, often paid for by past boyfriends. She may have learned to cover up who she really is by appearing confident and self-assured. Yet underneath this confident and highly manicured exterior may lie an insecure, inadequate and ultra-needy woman.
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Her every whim must be accommodated. Humility is alien to her. She is self-centered, opinionated and over-confident, and expects to be pampered and treated as superior.
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She will seem very loving and capable of intimacy and will pretend to care. However the intimacy, depth and commitment are illusions. They merely enable her to collect what she wants. Her true colors show only when all other tactics fail.
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She’s quite happy to steal her best friend’s boyfriend. It’s a great way to prove she has what it takes to be desirable, and simultaneously to prove the shallowness of the man and the delusion of her friend.
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She may cause problems just to attract attention to herself, because she likes to feel important.
She is meticulously turned out, expertly masking her inner personality cracks with flawless make-up, perfect hair and an extensive wardrobe, often paid for by past boyfriends. She may have learned to cover up who she really is by appearing confident and self-assured. Yet underneath this confident and highly manicured exterior may lie an insecure, inadequate and ultra-needy woman.
also, i'd also say that your techniques are very much misandrist as they seek to debase and manipulate men for your own needs. i have no respect for that at all.
of course, this is the internet so i have an idea that your claims are no more legitimate than any male player.
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hyperlexian wrote:
ok wait. let me get this straight. you said this in the other thread:
MollyTroubletail wrote:
You turn a man on, and he'll date you no problem. It is just that pure and simple. And believe me, it's easy to turn men on. Hair, makeup, cleavage, ass, and sexy shoes. That's it. It's the secret recipe.
Sexy shoes? Do men actually pay any attention to that? I had always thought that was a female only kind of thing.
K-R-X wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
ok wait. let me get this straight. you said this in the other thread:
MollyTroubletail wrote:
You turn a man on, and he'll date you no problem. It is just that pure and simple. And believe me, it's easy to turn men on. Hair, makeup, cleavage, ass, and sexy shoes. That's it. It's the secret recipe.
Sexy shoes? Do men actually pay any attention to that? I had always thought that was a female only kind of thing.
it's not the shoes, it's what the shoes do to the legs, i think.
emlion wrote:
K-R-X wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
ok wait. let me get this straight. you said this in the other thread:
MollyTroubletail wrote:
You turn a man on, and he'll date you no problem. It is just that pure and simple. And believe me, it's easy to turn men on. Hair, makeup, cleavage, ass, and sexy shoes. That's it. It's the secret recipe.
Sexy shoes? Do men actually pay any attention to that? I had always thought that was a female only kind of thing.
it's not the shoes, it's what the shoes do to the legs, i think.
"High heel shoes are like a push up bra for the butt." Quote my friend Shaina. They also give the legs a longer appearance, and do a very good job of teasing guys lol I find them very sensual, but everyone has there opinions.
As for
"You turn a man on, and he'll date you no problem. It is just that pure and simple. And believe me, it's easy to turn men on. Hair, makeup, cleavage, ass, and sexy shoes. That's it. It's the secret recipe."
Thats a good way to get a shallow guy. Same thing for guys wearing tight "muscle shirts". It's a good way to attract shallow girls. It works both ways.
However, I don't think anything is wrong by dressing sexy. I think its normal to want to be sexually attractive to the opposite sex. After all, in the end its you who chooses who your going to date. Looks are the first part of attraction. Emotional attraction takes time and patience. I think it just really depends on if you want a meaningful, emotional relationship, or one based off of lust.
Does a husband and wife or bf and gf who dress up for each other before a date make them perverts? Of course not.
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