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27 May 2012, 8:33 am

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What claim? That socially awkward women can misunderstand social situations and get raped? Nothing you've said "disproves" that claim.

Nobody can prove a negative. However, socially skilled and extroverted women are just as likely to get raped. Most rapists are extroverted and confident (but highly manipulative) men.

Sooo.....you really don't have a point, then. Gotcha.

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Take a look at all the women here in happy, long-term relationships and then take a look at the men. Plenty of reasonably attractive men here who only get short term relationships and one night stands or don't lose their virginity until their mid 20's.

Guessing statistics is guessing.

Oh, and Wrong Planet =/= general population.

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Take a look around you in real life. Notice how there are many uneducated and awkward women who are married. How many men who've been unemployed for years are?

Making up facts again? Gotcha.

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Whatever floats your boat. Most likely it's not valid unless it's conducted by a team of professionals and represents are LARGE NUMBER of documented reports.

Yeah, funny how that works.

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27 May 2012, 8:34 am

"Only get short term relationships"
that's just it, relationships aren't something you "get", they aren't earned by merit.
They're something you engage in
no one gives you a relationship, you make one.
If you have a hard time doing it, yeah that blows, but it's nobody else's fault

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27 May 2012, 8:47 am

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Sooo.....you really don't have a point, then. Gotcha.

you're deliberatwly missing my point because you implication is wrong. Socially awkward women arem't more likely than socially skilled women to get raped.

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Guessing statistics is guessing.

When there are no statistics, there's Occam's Razor.

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Oh, and Wrong Planet =/= general population.

No statistical tests represent the entire population.

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Making up facts again? Gotcha.

Nope. Just because there are no surveys (beause you can't black/white someone as socially awkward or not in a test), doesn't mean that it's wrong if there's a lot of it in real life.

There are no surveys on what the surface of a gas giant is made pf either, but it's safely to assume that most are still surrounded with metallic hydrogen.

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27 May 2012, 8:48 am

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A girl GIVES you a chance. Allthough (depending on the contest) "get" doesn't have to mean someone hands you something in your hands.

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27 May 2012, 8:54 am

Kurgan wrote:

you're deliberatwly missing my point because you implication is wrong. Socially awkward women arem't more likely than socially skilled women to get raped.

I never made such a claim. Kindly restrict yourself to responding to claims I actually made.

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Guessing statistics is guessing.

When there are no statistics, there's Occam's Razor.[/quote]

Translation: you have no data, and you're guessing.

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No statistical tests represent the entire population.

.....which "Wrong Planet" does not represent.

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Nope. Just because there are no surveys (beause you can't black/white someone as socially awkward or not in a test), doesn't mean that it's wrong if there's a lot of it in real life.

Translation: you have no actual data, you're just guessing on the basis of what you WANT to be true.

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27 May 2012, 8:56 am

XFilesGeek wrote:

Kurgan wrote:

XFilesGeek wrote:

Kurgan wrote:

Sooo.....you really don't have a point, then. Gotcha.

you're deliberatwly missing my point because you implication is wrong. Socially awkward women arem't more likely than socially skilled women to get raped.

I never made such a claim. Kindly restrict yourself to responding to claims I actually made.

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Guessing statistics is guessing.

When there are no statistics, there's Occam's Razor.

Translation: you have no data, and you're guessing.

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Oh, and Wrong Planet =/= general population.

No statistical tests represent the entire population.

.....which "Wrong Planet" does not represent.

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Making up facts again? Gotcha.

Nope. Just because there are no surveys (beause you can't black/white someone as socially awkward or not in a test), doesn't mean that it's wrong if there's a lot of it in real life.[/quote]

Translation: you have no actual data, you're just guessing on the basis of what you WANT to be true.[/quote]

I'm guessing on the basis of what seems true and what other people often see as well. WP is a pretty large number; enough to jump to conclusions.

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27 May 2012, 8:58 am

Kurgan wrote:

I'm guessing on the basis of what seems true and what other people often see as well.

Yes, like I said, you're guessing and making up your own facts based on what you WANT to be true.

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WP is a pretty large number; enough to jump to conclusions.

No, it isn't.

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27 May 2012, 9:02 am

XFilesGeek wrote:

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I'm guessing on the basis of what seems true and what other people often see as well.

Yes, like I said, you're guessing and making up your own facts based on what you WANT to be true.

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WP is a pretty large number; enough to jump to conclusions.

No, it isn't.

I'm basing it on what I actually see. One study here in Norway showed that women on disability were far more likely to be married than men. I'll see if I can find it again.

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27 May 2012, 9:33 am

JanuaryMan wrote:

Guys that feel you have to do all the work, why are you doing all the work?

Why? Because I've never been flirted at, or approached for a date by a girl, ever. There has been absolutely zero interest from any girl towards me that I haven't initated first. I, however, have felt attracted to lots of girls during school and work and have tried, however slowly, painfully or futility to initate with them and got nowhere other than negative experiences and drama that I didn't want. With a change in the system, I hope that those girls who may have wanted a date or something but were kept back from approaching could now do so. That's why.

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27 May 2012, 9:53 am

Kurgan wrote:

XFilesGeek wrote:

Kurgan wrote:

I'm guessing on the basis of what seems true and what other people often see as well.

Yes, like I said, you're guessing and making up your own facts based on what you WANT to be true.

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WP is a pretty large number; enough to jump to conclusions.

No, it isn't.

I'm basing it on what I actually see. One study here in Norway showed that women on disability were far more likely to be married than men. I'll see if I can find it again.

Yeah, like I said, you're guessing on the basis of what you WANT to be true.

So far, you've failed to provide any data to support your conclusions, nor do I have any particular reason to trust your subjective judgements, especially when it comes to the issue of men lecturing women on what it's like to be women.

And Hyperlexian dug up a study that showed disabled women in the U.S. were less likely to be married than disabled men. Great how that works.

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27 May 2012, 4:03 pm

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I've never blamed men for anything but their own attitudes. Especially when that attitude in "woe is me".
You're displaying a marked ignorance of how oppression works. If you want to lecture on what women should do, maybe once and in while you should sit down and listen to a woman tell you what it's like to be one with an open mind without rushing to blame them for the world's ills.
Yes it's hard to be a man, it's hard to be alive.
but there's a way to vent about it that doesn't blame women who are collectively 0% responsible for that.
All that misogyny is just you guys giving up agency over your own lives and happiness.

first of all yes you do blame men often. Bringing up misogyny in every single topic you go to. Ive almost thought you had to be a troll coming here knowing that gets people wound up. I think i know what women should do, for example i do live with one who happens to be quite outspoken and an individual. In the current standard it is completely unfair to men and that causes men to become bitter to women, you want your 'misogyny' to end? Then do it by changing the social standard and not by simply bitching about men. Because in case you havent noticed that doesnt work.

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27 May 2012, 4:10 pm

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Sorry Dogs, there are guys here that use any opportunity to bash women, but there are also people like yourself who are constantly waiting for the opportunity for these guys to show themselves. There are other times you simply look for holes in fairly innocent, light hearted posts and completely unsettle the mood. I agree with some of the things you say but you do this a lot and it isn't necessary and it's also uncalled for at times. You're equally as bitter about men, as these men you wait to pounce on are bitter about women.

Like you, there are many of us that want to help change these guys' perspectives on things. Trying to constantly get a verbal 1up against jerks and make them look stupid instead of helping them might make you feel better but it is ultimately doing the exact opposite of what you'd ideally want, less people thinking in certain ways. This is because this sort of behaviour only gives affirmation to their warped logic.

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27 May 2012, 4:27 pm

and this discussion about the overall lean/bias of the board is now about how people people feel about one individuals member's posting habits...
okay
ya'll are entitled to your opinion, I don't agree, but I can't make you stop being wrong.
I speak up when I see attitudes that are hurtful because that's what matters to me. If you don't like that, oh well.

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27 May 2012, 4:36 pm

Women don't have it easy at all. "Playing the victim" with everything is a lot of hard work.

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28 May 2012, 7:57 am

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Women don't have it easy at all. "Playing the victim" with everything is a lot of hard work.

Yeah, so why are so many guys in this thread doing it?

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28 May 2012, 8:45 am

Why do so many people play the victim here full stop? I thought the main purpose of L&D was to listen to people, help people move on or improve, not seek pity or use said pity to excuse them for things. The L&D has to be one of the most negative boards I've sever seen!

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