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07 Jun 2012, 8:24 am

Older people in their late 40s or early 50s that aren't very good looking usually weren't that good looking when they were younger either. This seems to be true with lots of famous people from the 80s when you see them now.



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07 Jun 2012, 10:02 am

DogsWithoutHorses wrote:
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I know fat girls who only go for six-packed guys.


Maybe I just see the awkward attempts by men IRL who ask girls out who are out of their league. I see men asking out women far more than vice versa, but I guess that just makes sense (society's rules blah blah). I don't think I've ever seen a big woman asking out a fit guy.


They do it within the confines of the internet to avoid comments such as the one Boo made. Happens a lot on dating sites, facebook, bebo (*shudders*) etc. but to be honest I don't see how it's different from a Woody Allen chatting up a Scarlett Johansson.


Physical attractiveness is pretty subjective while age is essentially quantifiable. I think there are a lot of similarities in the comparison, but I also think there are some key differences.


I'm nearly 10 years older than I look. I get carded buying R rated movies.. yet I've got friends who are a year older than me but look like they should be in their 40's. So age isn't a surefire thing either.. what you are saying is quantifiable is the appearance of age... not the actual # of years a person has been alive.



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07 Jun 2012, 10:07 am

rabbittss wrote:
DogsWithoutHorses wrote:
JanuaryMan wrote:
smudge wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
I know fat girls who only go for six-packed guys.


Maybe I just see the awkward attempts by men IRL who ask girls out who are out of their league. I see men asking out women far more than vice versa, but I guess that just makes sense (society's rules blah blah). I don't think I've ever seen a big woman asking out a fit guy.


They do it within the confines of the internet to avoid comments such as the one Boo made. Happens a lot on dating sites, facebook, bebo (*shudders*) etc. but to be honest I don't see how it's different from a Woody Allen chatting up a Scarlett Johansson.


Physical attractiveness is pretty subjective while age is essentially quantifiable. I think there are a lot of similarities in the comparison, but I also think there are some key differences.


I'm nearly 10 years older than I look. I get carded buying R rated movies.. yet I've got friends who are a year older than me but look like they should be in their 40's. So age isn't a surefire thing either.. what you are saying is quantifiable is the appearance of age... not the actual # of years a person has been alive.


Thats almost the exact opposite of what I'm saying. I'm saying age is a separate factor from physical appearance.
There is more to aging than getting wrinkles.


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07 Jun 2012, 10:09 am

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Older people in their late 40s or early 50s that aren't very good looking usually weren't that good looking when they were younger either. This seems to be true with lots of famous people from the 80s when you see them now.


I dunno, George Michael and Kiefer Sutherland look a bit ugly now. Johnny Depp on the other hand...


but clooney/pitt/depp all were also pretty in the 80s. Just because they are pretty now isnt proof of women liking older guys more than younger. Its proof that good looking young guys end up being good looking older guys



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07 Jun 2012, 10:24 am

DogsWithoutHorses wrote:
rabbittss wrote:
DogsWithoutHorses wrote:
JanuaryMan wrote:
smudge wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
I know fat girls who only go for six-packed guys.


Maybe I just see the awkward attempts by men IRL who ask girls out who are out of their league. I see men asking out women far more than vice versa, but I guess that just makes sense (society's rules blah blah). I don't think I've ever seen a big woman asking out a fit guy.


They do it within the confines of the internet to avoid comments such as the one Boo made. Happens a lot on dating sites, facebook, bebo (*shudders*) etc. but to be honest I don't see how it's different from a Woody Allen chatting up a Scarlett Johansson.


Physical attractiveness is pretty subjective while age is essentially quantifiable. I think there are a lot of similarities in the comparison, but I also think there are some key differences.


I'm nearly 10 years older than I look. I get carded buying R rated movies.. yet I've got friends who are a year older than me but look like they should be in their 40's. So age isn't a surefire thing either.. what you are saying is quantifiable is the appearance of age... not the actual # of years a person has been alive.


Thats almost the exact opposite of what I'm saying. I'm saying age is a separate factor from physical appearance.
There is more to aging than getting wrinkles.


Then what you are talking about is Life experience, not physical age.



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07 Jun 2012, 10:32 am

rabbittss wrote:
DogsWithoutHorses wrote:
rabbittss wrote:
DogsWithoutHorses wrote:
JanuaryMan wrote:
smudge wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
I know fat girls who only go for six-packed guys.


Maybe I just see the awkward attempts by men IRL who ask girls out who are out of their league. I see men asking out women far more than vice versa, but I guess that just makes sense (society's rules blah blah). I don't think I've ever seen a big woman asking out a fit guy.


They do it within the confines of the internet to avoid comments such as the one Boo made. Happens a lot on dating sites, facebook, bebo (*shudders*) etc. but to be honest I don't see how it's different from a Woody Allen chatting up a Scarlett Johansson.


Physical attractiveness is pretty subjective while age is essentially quantifiable. I think there are a lot of similarities in the comparison, but I also think there are some key differences.


I'm nearly 10 years older than I look. I get carded buying R rated movies.. yet I've got friends who are a year older than me but look like they should be in their 40's. So age isn't a surefire thing either.. what you are saying is quantifiable is the appearance of age... not the actual # of years a person has been alive.


Thats almost the exact opposite of what I'm saying. I'm saying age is a separate factor from physical appearance.
There is more to aging than getting wrinkles.


Then what you are talking about is Life experience, not physical age.


Physical age is relevant. You're all into evopsych and stuff right?
Why would I as a young woman want a mate with lower quality/less sperm?

While not a perfect indicator, age is a pretty good indication of life experience. Someone alive or 40 years isn't going to be on equal footing with someone who is 20 in general.
The issue is people preying on the presumed lack of exp. naivete of people who are very young.


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07 Jun 2012, 10:39 am

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Any idea on how to bring the age thing up without offending them?

Haha - Wasn't there a comment on your pic that you looked about 30-ish instead of 21? I don't think it's much of a surprise you're getting hit on by older women. Maybe lose the beard and the older women will flounce less?

In the grand scheme of things, I agree with the other poster that mentioned the optimum age range for looks tends to be early to mid 20s. It's simply the more attractive range in general. I think I'm still getting hit on because despite being 35 people still guess I'm 24. When I tell them no, they start guessing younger! 8O

As an older woman (geez, I can't believe I'm saying that), I do still personally find mid-20-somethings attractive, but that was no different than when I found mid-20-somethings attractive back when I was 16-21 years old. The difference is that while I will drool over how someone looks, dear lord they better have a brain to hold my attention, no matter what age they are. Immaturity can't be figured out just by looking at someone. They could be the cutest eye candy known to man, but I won't date them.



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07 Jun 2012, 10:42 am

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Edit: Ive been hanging out with older people lately to work on my social skills(if I make a mistake around a girl now its ok because I wasnt going to date her anyways) and I will move to people my age once Ive made some progress on this area.

Hm - You might be coming off as simply being older in mentality, especially if you are more mature in your mind than the people you are hanging out with (regardless of their ages).



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07 Jun 2012, 10:42 am

I'm not especially into evolutionary psychology no. It simply, like other things, has it's uses.

I can understand where you are coming from, but I've been with 19 year old's who are WAAAAAAY more experienced than I'll ever be, and she absolutely tried her damnedest to take advantage of me that way. It lead to some.. awkward..moments and then some fun moments. I don't mind being taken advantage of if it means I can learn from the experience. If it were left up to me to be the sexually dominant one, I'd never get anything.

Is it possible the problem here is less their actual age and more that you don't wish to be patronized too by an older guy who is potentially looking for a younger girl he can "Take care of".



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07 Jun 2012, 10:56 am

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Older people in their late 40s or early 50s that aren't very good looking usually weren't that good looking when they were younger either. This seems to be true with lots of famous people from the 80s when you see them now.


I dunno, George Michael and Kiefer Sutherland look a bit ugly now. Johnny Depp on the other hand...


but clooney/pitt/depp all were also pretty in the 80s. Just because they are pretty now isnt proof of women liking older guys more than younger. Its proof that good looking young guys end up being good looking older guys


Usually when you see an ugly older guy he was just average or below average looking in his early 20s. It's funny how people act like age is the only reason even though the person probably never looked that good to begin with.



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07 Jun 2012, 10:57 am

NicoleG wrote:
spongy wrote:
Edit: Ive been hanging out with older people lately to work on my social skills(if I make a mistake around a girl now its ok because I wasnt going to date her anyways) and I will move to people my age once Ive made some progress on this area.

Hm - You might be coming off as simply being older in mentality, especially if you are more mature in your mind than the people you are hanging out with (regardless of their ages).


I have some experience with this. I used to work with people considerably older than me at the time. Yet I learned later they thought by how i came across and my knowledge that I had to be 33+ and simply looked like barely in high school. They put my physical age at 16/17 and my mental age at 33-35. Yet i was 20.



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07 Jun 2012, 10:58 am

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Men old enough to be my father, please stop hitting on me. How do I signal when I'm in public, that I'm out for reasons other than to be hit on?

To be specific, you can't signal anything ahead of time. If someone wants to hit on you, that's what they're going to do. It's a fact of life that if you leave your house and go out into the world where there are other people, they might try to talk to you, they might try to flirt with you, etc. Sure, I would love to have a light bulb over my head saying "Leave me alone - not in a good mood" but that isn't going to happen, and it might actually cause some people to flock even more to see what's wrong with me and how they can help, which only serves to annoy me further. At most, you get to chose how you want to handle people that are hitting on you. Decide if you want to smile nicely and just keep saying no thanks, or if you want to be mean and rude to them.



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NicoleG wrote:
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Men old enough to be my father, please stop hitting on me. How do I signal when I'm in public, that I'm out for reasons other than to be hit on?

To be specific, you can't signal anything ahead of time. If someone wants to hit on you, that's what they're going to do. It's a fact of life that if you leave your house and go out into the world where there are other people, they might try to talk to you, they might try to flirt with you, etc. Sure, I would love to have a light bulb over my head saying "Leave me alone - not in a good mood" but that isn't going to happen, and it might actually cause some people to flock even more to see what's wrong with me and how they can help, which only serves to annoy me further. At most, you get to chose how you want to handle people that are hitting on you. Decide if you want to smile nicely and just keep saying no thanks, or if you want to be mean and rude to them.


That's all true. I know there is no way to stop people from doing what they are going to do. It's just something I don't like about experiencing the world as a female. The way people invade my space and take my time when I'm presenting as a woman just doesn't happen when I'm in drag and I wish I could have that social freedom, that baseline of respect, without wearing a binder. So I guess I do know how to hit that off switch, let people think I'm a man.
I don't expect there to be any grand cultural shift anytime soon, but it sometimes feels good to vent about the uncontrollable unfair things in life.


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07 Jun 2012, 11:09 am

I've no issue with "age-inappropriate" sexual relationships, having tried that both ways......didn't work very well in either case, and these days I'd probably stick to my own age plus or minus 10 years or so.

But I don't like people "hitting on" each other......I see it as unseemly for a person to indicate that they want to hump somebody they've only just met, however indirectly they convey that message. I'd consider it an insult.....if they want sex so desperately, they can hire a gigolo. So if anybody wants to be that rude and invasive to me (not that they usually do, as most women don't have the bottle to even tell me they like me), I might be rude back.

As for married men hitting on young women, they are simply narcissistic bastards.......I would think it's probably very easy to get rid of their attentions - how about (in a loud, clear voice) "why don't you find somebody else to help you s**t all over your wife?" The pejorative term "dirty old man" might also be used with good effect. Just get as abusive as you like.......what do you think you're dealing with, a friend?