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15 Jul 2012, 7:20 am

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To think I confided with personal info to you about myself in regards to my own life, Harumph! =\ :P
It's clear to me that Wolf is totally focused on you that nothing else matters to him. :lol: ;) You so got him wrapped round your finger. :razz:


:lmao:

Nah - he's not the type to let himself be suckered in like that.
Usually it ends up the other way around - I end up being some guys' girl slave. :razz:

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Oh yet it is ;) I'm just playing, we won't get told off anyway! I'll behave. ;)


:roll: You couldn't behave if you tried, I'm not even sure you comprehend the meaning of the word. :lol:
You're just begging for a spanking from Hyper, aren't you? :razz:

Speaking from expereicence, it's good, but it's not that good that I'd go looking for it again. :razz:
( no offense Hyper, you're almost that pretty that I'd go looking for it again, but it's not quite worth the pain :razz: )


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15 Jul 2012, 7:51 am

I used to be a total nice guy, but lately i have been more blunt since my first relationship, like I tend not to show my sensitive or emotional side in public, which may hurt me with girls because I am scared to trust people with that side of me, also lack of confidence hurts me probably, but deep down I am still nice to women, and I like being nice and making people happy, but to balance that with my own happiness has always been a problem.

In fact, some of the time I have more focous on myself but most of the time I have more focus on making others happy, wish I knew the right balance, and such.



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15 Jul 2012, 9:49 am

Women usually claim to really like cute animals, but most probably reject a nice guy that openly does the same thing saying that he's "not manly enough" or something cause he loves cute animals. go figure... :roll:



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15 Jul 2012, 9:56 am

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Women usually claim to really like cute animals, but most probably reject a nice guy that openly does the same thing saying that he's "not manly enough" or something cause he loves cute animals. go figure... :roll:


did you even read the op?
you know, the story about being hit on, harassed, and berated with a slur by a "niceguy"

or did you just see the words nice guy and pop in with your usual remark

I'm asking because I can't tell, not as a bit of rhetoric

Also pshhh, have you ever seen the attention a guy with a cute puppy can draw? It's crazy. (I take owning a cute puppy as tacit admission of liking cute animals)


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15 Jul 2012, 10:03 am

I saw the words "nice guy" so I instinctively made a baby seal comment. lol



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15 Jul 2012, 11:15 am

What's the meaning of "nice"? What a "nice" person does?

I don't know what "nice" really means, I know what means a respectful person, a friendly person, a funny person, a boring person, but not what means a "nice" person. It's not a personality trait, it's so generic and imprecise.



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15 Jul 2012, 12:54 pm

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I feel it's important to differentiate between a "nice guy" and a decent man.

One (the latter) is a man, while the "nice guy" is a immature little boy complete with the entitlement attitude (which is the most off putting thing) and child's expectations of the way the world should work, hiding in a grown man's body.

Decent good men are genuinely kind and authentic people. They know that there is a time and a place to be a good or bad boy. They are strong enough to be nice without being weak and they are strong enough to be bad when it's required - essentially they have a backbone. They know how to say no. Most importantly, they know how the world works and they know that it doesn't owe them anything.

I love decent men - they make my world go around, whenever I get my head out of my interests. :lol:

To me, the sterotypical "nice guy" described by the OP is no better than the sterotypical "bad boy", I have no interest, and no time for either of those.


Thank you Kjas, you have just summed this up very nicely. I was going to write something very similar, but now I don't need to :D


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15 Jul 2012, 1:12 pm

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I agree with hyperlexian, however I think this "nice guy" term needs to be explained alittle bit more

Imagine any guy who has a hard time trying to impress a girl he really likes or strikes out alot when he is asking a girl out. He eventually gets bummed out and confides in a close friend(sometimes a girl sometimes a guy). Now this close friend to cheer him up tell him hes a "nice guy" and that he will find a girl like him for who he is....or whatever.....

The point is after awhile he hears the term "nice guy" so much that he begins to think that its the reason he has bad luck with women. And what is the oppsite of a nice person easy a jerk and thus the Nice guy vs. Jerk silly argument is born. Now it may differ from person to person but this is usualy how it happens.

Now sometimes the guy who experinces this focus so much on this Title of "nice guy" that he becomes bitter towards women, thus only hurting himself more.

Most "nice guys" are or were genuinely nice people and but that is never why they had or have problems with women.
On average the problem usualy is lack of confidence or appearing to have a lack of confidence.


I like this post.



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15 Jul 2012, 3:30 pm

OP, first of all, I am so sorry that you went through such an experience! That stupid jerk should have never scared you like that. :(

Kjas wrote:
I feel it's important to differentiate between a "nice guy" and a decent man.

One (the latter) is a man, while the "nice guy" is a immature little boy complete with the entitlement attitude (which is the most off putting thing) and child's expectations of the way the world should work, hiding in a grown man's body.

Decent good men are genuinely kind and authentic people. They know that there is a time and a place to be a good or bad boy. They are strong enough to be nice without being weak and they are strong enough to be bad when it's required - essentially they have a backbone. They know how to say no. Most importantly, they know how the world works and they know that it doesn't owe them anything.

I love decent men - they make my world go around, whenever I get my head out of my interests. :lol:

To me, the sterotypical "nice guy" described by the OP is no better than the sterotypical "bad boy", I have no interest, and no time for either of those.


You are awesome! Great post! I really can't add anything to this except that everyday, I'm thankful to have found a decent man to be with.


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15 Jul 2012, 4:06 pm

Kjas, DogsWithoutHorses, and hyperlexian have pretty much summed everything up really well. And Wolfheart was a total example of a "bad boy" who is actually a good guy.

Bluemax, YOU shouldn't be offended but there were a few "nice" guys posting haha. I love where this conversation went!



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15 Jul 2012, 4:25 pm

Nicer guys tend to be more open to manipulation so I can't understand why females wouldn't latch onto them.


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15 Jul 2012, 4:27 pm

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Nicer guys tend to be more open to manipulation so I can't understand why females wouldn't latch onto them.


I will venture a guess and say because it's lonely to be with someone like that. I avoid women with no agency for that reason, anyhow. No mannequins or mirrors, please.



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15 Jul 2012, 5:07 pm

The problem is when women think the jerks they are dating are nice guys. And I mean nice women, if some women are jerks themselves and are dating jerks, who cares?



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15 Jul 2012, 5:10 pm

DanRaccoon wrote:
Nicer guys tend to be more open to manipulation so I can't understand why females wouldn't latch onto them.


Bit of a story, has a bit to do with love and dating. Not sure if it supports your theory or not. And also, I am not sure women want something to come to them that easily.

Been manipulated before by a co-worker when I worked at a gas station. She detected interest from me, and brought her ex into the store one day during a shift switch between the both of us. She knew nothing about me, but knew her ex well. She wanted to see if she could manipulate a fight. It almost worked, but it failed. She tried to get me fired for this incident too because she knew it would mean more hours for her, but the boss saw right through her. She had a hard time getting me to communicate with her after that.
She got fired a couple months later for messing up the gas prices on the pump and this mistake cost her at least $600. I caught it while she was working since I came to fill up my car, but chose to say nothing to her. The boss catches it later on when he comes in. I don't get punished, and therefore I win :D

Moral of this story: People will try and manipulate you if they know it can benefit them. If it backfires, they get screwed over.



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16 Jul 2012, 2:28 am

DanRaccoon wrote:
Nicer guys tend to be more open to manipulation so I can't understand why females wouldn't latch onto them.


I have seen them be used by girls before - many times, in fact.

But at the end of the day, if he can't even take care of or protect himself, how on earth can a woman trust that he would ever be able to take care of or protect her, if such a situation ever occured that necessitated that? She couldn't.

That is why a guy who can take care of himself is attractive - especially if he is kind as well.


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16 Jul 2012, 3:03 am

Kjas wrote:
DanRaccoon wrote:
Nicer guys tend to be more open to manipulation so I can't understand why females wouldn't latch onto them.


I have seen them be used by girls before - many times, in fact.

But at the end of the day, if he can't even take care of or protect himself, how on earth can a woman trust that he would ever be able to take care of or protect her, if such a situation ever occured that necessitated that? She couldn't.

That is why a guy who can take care of himself is attractive - especially if he is kind as well.
Its bad enough im a nice guy but an aspie as well so either way I tend to be vulnerable to manipulation.


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