22 Jul 2012, 10:19 pm
22 Jul 2012, 11:35 pm
mds_02 wrote:
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I have to wonder at the (well-meaning) beliefs of men who dislike makeup on women and who prefer a "natural" face. Often these "natural" faces still have makeup on, it just is only a minimal amount, and if these men actually saw women with NO makeup on and no efforts at all at doing their hair then maybe they wouldn't be quite so into the idea.
Begging your pardon, but I think most men know exactly what women look like without makeup and without their hair done. I've lived with women, been close friends with women, was raised by (mostly) women and, trust me, have seen them without their makeup and without their hair done. I can easily tell the difference between light "natural" looking makeup and an actual bare face. And guess what? I still prefer women without makeup.
I'm sorry that you feel obligated to wear it. But you don't get to discount men's stated preferences just because they don't fit what you think men like.
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These days it appears "attractive" is based around whether a woman looks like she enjoys having sex or not. So, men feel that they must find a woman like that, and women think they have to be like that. There is so much more to Life!! !! I do wonder at the future of this World... (am talking generally here, I realise there are exceptions)
Well, when people talk about attractiveness, they are usually referring to sexual attractiveness. Given that, I don't think it's such a bad thing that men are sexually attracted to women who look like they'd enjoy some sex. I mean, it sure beats being turned on by women who wouldn't enjoy it.
Sure, there will be some men who can tell, and some women who look more obviously lacking makeup. I just believe that lots of men (not all) cannot tell because there are many "tricks" involved with makeup, and one particular "look" is "to look as though you have no makeup on at all".
It'd be interesting to see a World where no makeup exists at all, and how different everyone would look
Just because a woman may not make herself LOOK like she enjoys sex, doesn't mean she doesn't, though. In fact, it often means that she has a lot more going on in her World which could make her good for... hmm.. I dunno... some good conversation as WELL as good sex. And often the most intelligent women are the sexiest in the bedroom...
Rich men often dress down while arrogant, not-so-rich men present themselves as though they are rich.
Don't be fooled. A woman who portrays herself as enjoying sex doesn't necessarily enjoy it. She may simply enjoy being "popular" and attracting attention, and when it actually comes down to it, is pretty boring behind closed doors.
I get frustrated that it appears the World only values women who look good and are available sexually. Note that I am not saying that sex is bad, I am saying I get frustrated that it seems to be the MAIN/ONLY thing that is important to the World.
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22 Jul 2012, 11:50 pm
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What aesthetic criteria do men have to meet to look like they want sex?
according to the stereotype, being male is enough
So, then,
*being male
*wearing makeup
connote wanting/enjoying sex.
Does that mean men who wear eyeliner are the most sexed of us all?
22 Jul 2012, 11:52 pm
I think that that it's the women who are the worst critics of women, we dress for women, we put make up on for women, etc. I don't doubt that men certainly appreciate the effort but it's the women who are judge and jury. We are hardest on each other and therefore we find ourselves feeling inadequate and unattractive.
It's the men that prefer us bare faced or...just bare...
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22 Jul 2012, 11:55 pm
ValentineWiggin wrote:
MXH wrote:
ValentineWiggin wrote:
What aesthetic criteria do men have to meet to look like they want sex?
according to the stereotype, being male is enough
So, then,
*being male
*wearing makeup
connote wanting/enjoying sex.
Does that mean men who wear eyeliner are the most sexed of us all?
the stereotype would indicate they are gay, and that stereotype would indicate that they would get a lot of sex. Gay sex though
22 Jul 2012, 11:56 pm
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It's the men that prefer us bare faced or...just bare...
Indeed, they don't want us wearing make-up OR clothes.
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23 Jul 2012, 12:00 am
351Boss wrote:
I think that that it's the women who are the worst critics of women, we dress for women, we put make up on for women, etc. I don't doubt that men certainly appreciate the effort but it's the women who are judge and jury. We are hardest on each other and therefore we find ourselves feeling inadequate and unattractive.
It's the men that prefer us bare faced or...just bare...
It's the men that prefer us bare faced or...just bare...
It could be argued that women dress and put on make up "for other women"
because we're constantly, competitively sizing one another up for attractiveness,
in the same way men want to get muscular and look more ripped than the next guy,
because that's what women (supposedly) want.
I would imagine men in the West who truly prefer a woman with no makeup, unshaven, in baggy clothes (men don't have to, under pain of being thought slovenly, maintain hairless bodies encased in skintight clothing!) are few and far between.
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23 Jul 2012, 12:04 am
MXH wrote:
ValentineWiggin wrote:
MXH wrote:
ValentineWiggin wrote:
What aesthetic criteria do men have to meet to look like they want sex?
according to the stereotype, being male is enough
So, then,
*being male
*wearing makeup
connote wanting/enjoying sex.
Does that mean men who wear eyeliner are the most sexed of us all?
the stereotype would indicate they are gay, and that stereotype would indicate that they would get a lot of sex. Gay sex though
Indeed.
23 Jul 2012, 12:04 am
23 Jul 2012, 12:04 am
<-- Is now picturing bisexual women wearing make-up on only half of their face, to be attractive to both sexes 
23 Jul 2012, 12:14 am
23 Jul 2012, 12:16 am
yellowtamarin wrote:
<-- Is now picturing bisexual women wearing make-up on only half of their face, to be attractive to both sexes
Now that's taking it all in stride! Kudos for having a sense of humour!
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23 Jul 2012, 12:28 am
It's telling when a woman has to perform XYZ beauty practice to be thought of as a sexual being. 
23 Jul 2012, 12:37 am
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It's telling when a woman has to perform XYZ beauty practice to be thought of as a sexual being.
She said
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These days it appears "attractive" is based around whether a woman looks like she enjoys having sex or not
and that was what I was responding to. I stated very clearly that I prefer a more natural look. and that, when looking for a sexual partner, I go for the ones who advertise their sexual availability (in other words, look like they enjoy having sex).
So clearly, for me at least, looking like she ejoys sex is not directly related to beauty practices. And my taste in women is not that far off from most of the guys I've known.
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