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I know you want to believe that you have control over your life and that your good fortune is your own doing, but reality says otherwise. You see, you are entitled to your labor but not the fruits of your labor. I've heard the same BS you're pedaling from many different people before.

Then perhaps you should listen to them.

People like that used to frustrate me when I was depressed and felt like these things were far easier said than done - which is what it sounds like, to me, your line of thinking currently is.

2 1/2 years ago my symptoms were strong, I was anxious and depressed, over $100K in debt and all of this was impossible. 15 months ago my bankruptcy discharged and I had a few hundred dollars to me name. Today I'm up ~$28K in cash and stocks, which is more than 6 months expenses, by working my ass off and saving almost every penny I could. This has been made possible by successfully treating my symptoms (diet/herbal cleansing/probiotics) and no longer being anxious/depressed. I now see the world like those people who "bullshitted" you, because when you're thinking clearly, that is what the world is like - full of possibilities.

I'm not saying that all hope is lost and there is nothing that can be done. But I am saying that there are times when possibility alone will not suffice. You need real results and to actually see your hard work paying off to really move forward. That is, actuality. People like that have easy lives and folks like me and sly make them realize that what got them to where they are has a lot do with good fortune and not just good attitude. It threatens their ego so they try to play hard nose but they know they truth. I don't want advice from you or her because I know you cannot solve my problems and that's my responsibility and prerogative. You will NOT change me, only I can change myself when I'm ready and willing. I hope you understand the concept.

Correct, possibility + positive attitude/perception will suffice. If one remains negative then it doesn't matter what's possible.

I have results of my hard work paying off.

People like that do have easier lives, but not because they have money. They have money because they're positive/optimistic and fit into the social fabric of society well enough to successfully negotiate themselves a spot to earn money. They work for it, they're not born with money.

Incorrect. Your negative perceptions of reality (your reality) have no affect whatsoever on my ego or perceptions. I don't recognize your perceptions as my reality nor truth.

Correct, only you can change yourself. However, it's possible that advice I can offer may help you do that whether you believe so or not. I say this because I've managed to successfully treat my depression/anxiety/ASD symptoms via diet/herbal cleansing & probiotics. I'm more than willing to share how I've done this for anyone interested in reading it. You never know, what's worked for me may work for you or others should you decide to try any of it for yourselves.

You may be convinced yourself that possibility+positive attitudes may work miracles and guarantee success, but you have not convinced me. But hey, if believing in magic helps you sleep at night then you go right ahead and do that. You have not presented any kind of evidence for your claims except personal anecdotes and that doesn't prove a damn thing. You made the claim, you do your homework and demonstrate it to me(along with Kayteekay). Otherwise I call BS.

Also, you live in CANUCKISTAN. In terms of jobs and the economy, things are a lot different here then they are in the USofA. In my country, you can't get rich working for someone else. Either you own property or you get access to capital.

Ok, so don't be convinced - that's your negative/pessimistic perception and you're entitled to it. Ironically it's also what's constraining you from financial success.

Ok, I'll carry on continuing to believe in "magic".. the same "magic" that every positive thinking & finance self help author has been preaching for hundreds of years. Eventually I'll not only sleep better at night for believing in said "magic" but I'll also be able to sleep on a big pile of money if I so choose.

I could go over to Amazon.com and link you to hundreds, maybe thousands, of book titles by authors who all state the same thing in various forms if you'd prefer to take their word for it over mine. Of course I don't have anyone else' personal anecdotes to share as I haven't lived anyone else' life or had anyone else' experiences but my own.

Do my homework? What homework? A link to Amazon full of book titles by authors who all state that positive attitude directly benefits success and finances? Do your own work like I and Kayteetkay do and you'll get the fruits of it. It's not up to us to spoon feed you the answers. Everything we have we've worked for. Do the same for yourself and you can have more than you do now. It's a really really simple formula. Call BS all you want, but I'm not lying when I say I had a few hundred dollars to my name 15 months ago and am now up ~$28K in cash & stocks. It is what it is whether you believe me or not. And I've achieved it how I have whether you believe me or not.

Yes, I live in Canada.. and no I won't likely get rich working for someone else. I live in the suburbs of the city with the 2nd least affordable real estate on the face of the Earth. I cannot afford to buy a home here, not by a long shot. It is possible that I could make enough money working for someone else to eventually be able to afford to buy one. It's also possible that I could become rich by working for someone else and saving/investing my money for decades. It's also possible to do it as an entrepreneur if one is successful in business. Obviously it depends on one's income and expenses as well as what they do with the rest of their money whether they become rich over time or not, regardless of whether they work for someone else or they work for themselves.

Also, there are plenty of people in America who have become rich by working for someone else. Here's an example: There are many very very wealthy CEO's in the USA. They don't own the businesses they work for. They work for someone else. Many are paid multimillions of dollars per year. That's a bit of an extreme example, but it's proof that there are in fact Many rich Americans who've gotten rich by working for someone else.. and also proof that your statement is false, likely due to depression/pessimistic pov.

Uhhhhhhhhhhh, NO. There are quite a few other constraints from financial success but fortunately for me, I'm doing ACTUAL WORK in my own life to remove them. Now I know you have a big ego and you don't understand the simple concept of the burden of proof but don't think that guilt tripping me about my "pessimistic/negative" attitude is going to make me agree with you.


When it comes to getting a job in my country, having a positive attitude is necessary, but not sufficient. I hope you know what that means: It's not enough. You have to have something to offer because in the vast majority of cases, you are not the only person who wants that job. The way to get around the lack-of-experience barrier is to network. Do not underestimate the importance of social skills and social connections when it comes to getting hired.

Ok, good for you. Self improvement is a wonderful thing & I wish you all the best with removing whatever constraints you have to work and financial success.

I don't have a big ego. I don't have any difficulty comprehending what "burden of proof" means. What is it you want proof of from me in what format? If I'm able to provide it, it'd be my pleasure.

Obviously people must also have skills of value beyond a positive attitude - or at least the capability to learn them. Of course networking and social connections are key to employment. I know full well. I was once unemployed, unemployable, and miserable. I didn't have social connections. I've since figured out how to treat my ASD symptoms and am not much more intuitively social than ever, which has led to work & financial success that I've never really quite had in my life prior. I'm also working in an extremely social environment with very high standards. I'm not perfect, I still make mistakes, but overall I'm doing pretty good. If you go check my old threads in the work/job forum, you'll see that I didn't know these people at all, met them, worked hard, and then earned such a solid job recommendation that others were told I was being hired and that was that. At first I didn't feel I had earned even my entry level job because of that.. but then thinking about it further, I earned such a recommendation via my much improved social abilities and am completely ok with the fact that my manager was told by others that he was hiring me for my role. Social connections are absolutely MASSIVE in gaining & maintaining employment. I'm very well aware. That's why I encourage others to work on improving themselves in whatever ways work for them to improve their social abilities in order to better themselves and their work/financial situations.

Then carry on being miserable. Bemoan your fate. Cuz it seems to be working sooo very well for you.

Truth hurts.