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03 Sep 2017, 9:06 am

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In addition I'd like to say that a lot of aspies online think that what they have personally researched and conclusions they have drawn are the be all and end all. That irritates me.

Life is broader than just our own little bubble. Everyone's circumstances are different.

I dislike arrogance that ignores that.


Isn't it very arrogant to assume that no one has ever reached reasonable conclusions?


Quite possibly true.

It's difficult to know what you believe when there are so many conflicting sources of information. Even specialists in certain areas disagree.

As someone with an illness I get all sorts of unsolicited advice. ."Here's a study about this and it's help x amount of people". Turns out it doesn't help others. I tried one form of therapy that helped me, but didn't help others. Health is complex.

I find it best not to be dogmatic on certain issues if at all possible because individuals are just that, individuals and their bodies and circumstances are different.

I still don't think anyone can or should judge a book by its cover.

I hope that explains what I mean better than my throw away gem insult did.



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I am a former BBW model with a body similar to Ashley Grahm an hourglass figure and a very pretty face as well as being someone exposed to a LOT of autistic guys, as well as just men in general

I would say that Autistic guys are the least likely to find me attractive and prefer to hold out for a trophy wife type of girlfriend with a model body as a way to compensate for feeling insecure about his autism.

Liking a chunky big bottomed girl is universal for men, this is NOT an autistic thing.The fashion indusry (rail thin models) is run by gay men and women... the women are meant to be clothes racks to show off the design of the clothes, not "what a sexy woman men wanna bang looks like"

thats not an opinion, it is a fact.


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03 Sep 2017, 9:38 am

hurtloam wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
hurtloam wrote:
In addition I'd like to say that a lot of aspies online think that what they have personally researched and conclusions they have drawn are the be all and end all. That irritates me.

Life is broader than just our own little bubble. Everyone's circumstances are different.

I dislike arrogance that ignores that.


Isn't it very arrogant to assume that no one has ever reached reasonable conclusions?


Quite possibly true.

It's difficult to know what you believe when there are so many conflicting sources of information. Even specialists in certain areas disagree.

As someone with an illness I get all sorts of unsolicited advice. ."Here's a study about this and it's help x amount of people". Turns out it doesn't help others. I tried one form of therapy that helped me, but didn't help others. Health is complex.

I find it best not to be dogmatic on certain issues if at all possible because individuals are just that, individuals and their bodies and circumstances are different.

I still don't think anyone can or should judge a book by its cover.

I hope that explains what I mean better than my throw away gem insult did.


Actually, the best experts(the ones who aren't trying to sell a product) tend to agree on most things.

But I agree, health is incredibly complex, and that's the whole problem, people would rather believe a simple lie, than a complex truth. It's much easier for people to admit to themselves, that the reason they're overweight is because of food group x(whether that be carbs, animal products, sugar ect.) than that they're simply eating too much.

In my journey through nutrition, I went through several ideological shifts, until I landed at(in my estimation) a very common sense approach, and after that my interest faded. The problem with common sense is, like I said, it's a hard sell. Dogmatism when it comes to diet, is an excellent way to develop an eating disorder however.



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03 Sep 2017, 9:40 am

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I am a former BBW model with a body similar to Ashley Grahm an hourglass figure and a very pretty face as well as being someone exposed to a LOT of autistic guys, as well as just men in general

I would say that Autistic guys are the least likely to find me attractive and prefer to hold out for a trophy wife type of girlfriend with a model body as a way to compensate for feeling insecure about his autism.

Liking a chunky big bottomed girl is universal for men, this is NOT an autistic thing.The fashion indusry (rail thin models) is run by gay men and women... the women are meant to be clothes racks to show off the design of the clothes, not "what a sexy woman men wanna bang looks like"

thats not an opinion, it is a fact.


Speaking of dogmatism... sigh



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03 Sep 2017, 9:42 am

Closet Genious wrote:
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In addition I'd like to say that a lot of aspies online think that what they have personally researched and conclusions they have drawn are the be all and end all. That irritates me.

Life is broader than just our own little bubble. Everyone's circumstances are different.

I dislike arrogance that ignores that.


Isn't it very arrogant to assume that no one has ever reached reasonable conclusions?


You are straw manning here, This hurtloam person didn't say that at all...
They said 'some' aspies think their conclusions are above reproach or refutation and that it annoys him/her.

Hurtloam is correct a lot of people in general think their conclusions are irrefutable when in fact they are not.
A lot (not all, ) of Aspies are under the impression that being autistic has gifted them with a superior intellect and critical thinking skills, and are apt to get incredibly cocky about it, often unwarranted.

I've had online debates with people who were incredibly lacking in critical thought and had absolutely no idea how formal debate was properly executed who assumed I was neurotypical and literally told me being aspie made them smarter than me.
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I have an iq of 154 very few people are smarter than me much less the person in question who could barely cobble together a sentence.
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03 Sep 2017, 9:47 am

SwimmingHigh wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
hurtloam wrote:
In addition I'd like to say that a lot of aspies online think that what they have personally researched and conclusions they have drawn are the be all and end all. That irritates me.

Life is broader than just our own little bubble. Everyone's circumstances are different.

I dislike arrogance that ignores that.


Isn't it very arrogant to assume that no one has ever reached reasonable conclusions?


You are straw manning here, This hurtloam person didn't say that at all...
They said 'some' aspies think their conclusions are above reproach or refutation and that it annoys him/her.

Hurtloam is correct a lot of people in general think their conclusions are irrefutable when in fact they are not.
A lot (not all, ) of Aspies are under the impression that being autistic has gifted them with a superior intellect and critical thinking skills, and are apt to get incredibly cocky about it, often unwarranted.

I've had online debates with people who were incredibly lacking in critical thought and had absolutely no idea how formal debate was properly executed who assumed I was neurotypical and literally told me being aspie made them smarter than me.
LOLLLLL
I have an iq of 154 very few people are smarter than me much less the person in question who could barely cobble together a sentence.
smh


I disagree, I don't think I was straw manning any more than hurtloam, and I actually agreed with her point, my question was probably more of a philosophical one.

Judging from your two posts here, you are no less guilty of what you are accusing others of.



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03 Sep 2017, 9:53 am

Closet Genious wrote:
hurtloam wrote:
In addition I'd like to say that a lot of aspies online think that what they have personally researched and conclusions they have drawn are the be all and end all. That irritates me.

Life is broader than just our own little bubble. Everyone's circumstances are different.

I dislike arrogance that ignores that.


I agree with this to an extent, but not always.

Personally, I have spent somewhere around 5.000 hours studying nutrition, does me being an aspie mean my opinion has no value?


Sorry i missed this post.

Nope not saying aspies are invalid. What i mean is we can come over a bit too intense and dogmatic.

I think I'm over sensitive about this because I'm making an active effort to tone myself down.

Obviously if you look at what I wrote on the Diana thread I've still not quite got a handle on that. :oops:

I did watch the video salowevision posted, but i would have been inclined to respond to it's content more if he hadn't come over all, "I know better than these women."

I 've just realised (randomly whilst i was doing the dishes) that he probably went out of his way to look for that video because I had brought the subject up and is bewildered that I didn't respond by saying, "thanks that was interesting".

I actually jumped to assuming he was putting people down for not being perfect and disciplined enough. Most people really aren't as focussed on these things as those of us who make it a special interest.

I've actually got a great recipe for boiled chicken stew if anyone who watched the video is interested.



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03 Sep 2017, 9:58 am

Closet Genious wrote:
SwimmingHigh wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
hurtloam wrote:
In addition I'd like to say that a lot of aspies online think that what they have personally researched and conclusions they have drawn are the be all and end all. That irritates me.

Life is broader than just our own little bubble. Everyone's circumstances are different.

I dislike arrogance that ignores that.


Isn't it very arrogant to assume that no one has ever reached reasonable conclusions?


You are straw manning here, This hurtloam person didn't say that at all...
They said 'some' aspies think their conclusions are above reproach or refutation and that it annoys him/her.

Hurtloam is correct a lot of people in general think their conclusions are irrefutable when in fact they are not.
A lot (not all, ) of Aspies are under the impression that being autistic has gifted them with a superior intellect and critical thinking skills, and are apt to get incredibly cocky about it, often unwarranted.

I've had online debates with people who were incredibly lacking in critical thought and had absolutely no idea how formal debate was properly executed who assumed I was neurotypical and literally told me being aspie made them smarter than me.
LOLLLLL
I have an iq of 154 very few people are smarter than me much less the person in question who could barely cobble together a sentence.
smh


I disagree, I don't think I was straw manning any more than hurtloam, and I actually agreed with her point, my question was probably more of a philosophical one.

Judging from your two posts here, you are no less guilty of what you are accusing others of.

I didn't care enough to read through your whole conversation with this person, I have no idea if they straw manned you earlier or not but whether or not they have done so more or less than you is absolutely irrelevant to my point, which was that in this particular case you compleeeeetely misrepresented what was being said by him/her in your reply to him/her either as a manipulative tactic, or simply because you lack reading comprehension.

I don't make assertions without being certain I can back them up with citation if requested. This has nothing to do with being Aspie, I didn't even know I was aspie until recently and so instead of relying on my "super autistic intelligence" so many aspies I have met seem to believe they posses without any evidence to the case, I applied myself and worked very hard to improve my critical thinking skills. I endeavor to improve daily and do not consider myself above reproach regardless of what you imagine I "seem like" from my two comments

Did you misspell genius intentionally as a joke or no?


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03 Sep 2017, 9:59 am

hurtloam wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
hurtloam wrote:
In addition I'd like to say that a lot of aspies online think that what they have personally researched and conclusions they have drawn are the be all and end all. That irritates me.

Life is broader than just our own little bubble. Everyone's circumstances are different.

I dislike arrogance that ignores that.


I agree with this to an extent, but not always.

Personally, I have spent somewhere around 5.000 hours studying nutrition, does me being an aspie mean my opinion has no value?


Sorry i missed this post.

Nope not saying aspies are invalid. What i mean is we can come over a bit too intense and dogmatic.

I think I'm over sensitive about this because I'm making an active effort to tone myself down.

Obviously if you look at what I wrote on the Diana thread I've still not quite got a handle on that. :oops:

I did watch the video salowevision posted, but i would have been inclined to respond to it's content more if he hadn't come over all, "I know better than these women."

I 've just realised (randomly whilst i was doing the dishes) that he probably went out of his way to look for that video because I had brought the subject up and is bewildered that I didn't respond by saying, "thanks that was interesting".

I actually jumped to assuming he was putting people down for not being perfect and disciplined enough. Most people really aren't as focussed on these things as those of us who make it a special interest.

I've actually got a great recipe for boiled chicken stew if anyone who watched the video is interested.


I agree with you hurtloam, but I also think if we are aware of our tendency to do this, we can also control it, and become really effecient at objective observation.



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03 Sep 2017, 10:09 am

SwimmingHigh wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
SwimmingHigh wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
hurtloam wrote:
In addition I'd like to say that a lot of aspies online think that what they have personally researched and conclusions they have drawn are the be all and end all. That irritates me.

Life is broader than just our own little bubble. Everyone's circumstances are different.

I dislike arrogance that ignores that.


Isn't it very arrogant to assume that no one has ever reached reasonable conclusions?


You are straw manning here, This hurtloam person didn't say that at all...
They said 'some' aspies think their conclusions are above reproach or refutation and that it annoys him/her.

Hurtloam is correct a lot of people in general think their conclusions are irrefutable when in fact they are not.
A lot (not all, ) of Aspies are under the impression that being autistic has gifted them with a superior intellect and critical thinking skills, and are apt to get incredibly cocky about it, often unwarranted.

I've had online debates with people who were incredibly lacking in critical thought and had absolutely no idea how formal debate was properly executed who assumed I was neurotypical and literally told me being aspie made them smarter than me.
LOLLLLL
I have an iq of 154 very few people are smarter than me much less the person in question who could barely cobble together a sentence.
smh


I disagree, I don't think I was straw manning any more than hurtloam, and I actually agreed with her point, my question was probably more of a philosophical one.

Judging from your two posts here, you are no less guilty of what you are accusing others of.

I didn't care enough to read through your whole conversation with this person, I have no idea if they straw manned you earlier or not but whether or not they have done so more or less than you is absolutely irrelevant to my point, which was that in this particular case you compleeeeetely misrepresented what was being said by him/her in your reply to him/her either as a manipulative tactic, or simply because you lack reading comprehension.

I don't make assertions without being certain I can back them up with citation if requested. This has nothing to do with being Aspie, I didn't even know I was aspie until recently and so instead of relying on my "super autistic intelligence" so many aspies I have met seem to believe they posses without any evidence to the case, I applied myself and worked very hard to improve my critical thinking skills. I endeavor to improve daily and do not consider myself above reproach regardless of what you imagine I "seem like" from my two comments

Did you misspell genius intentionally as a joke or no?


I actually didn't, I understood where hurtloam was coming from, and like I said, my question was of philsophical nature. You sure are great at trying to dictate what my intentions where, or my thought process as a whole. Honestly, I struggle to take you seriously at this point. :roll:



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03 Sep 2017, 10:12 am

SwimmingHigh wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
SwimmingHigh wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
hurtloam wrote:
In addition I'd like to say that a lot of aspies online think that what they have personally researched and conclusions they have drawn are the be all and end all. That irritates me.

Life is broader than just our own little bubble. Everyone's circumstances are different.

I dislike arrogance that ignores that.


Isn't it very arrogant to assume that no one has ever reached reasonable conclusions?


You are straw manning here, This hurtloam person didn't say that at all...
They said 'some' aspies think their conclusions are above reproach or refutation and that it annoys him/her.

Hurtloam is correct a lot of people in general think their conclusions are irrefutable when in fact they are not.
A lot (not all, ) of Aspies are under the impression that being autistic has gifted them with a superior intellect and critical thinking skills, and are apt to get incredibly cocky about it, often unwarranted.

I've had online debates with people who were incredibly lacking in critical thought and had absolutely no idea how formal debate was properly executed who assumed I was neurotypical and literally told me being aspie made them smarter than me.
LOLLLLL
I have an iq of 154 very few people are smarter than me much less the person in question who could barely cobble together a sentence.
smh


I disagree, I don't think I was straw manning any more than hurtloam, and I actually agreed with her point, my question was probably more of a philosophical one.

Judging from your two posts here, you are no less guilty of what you are accusing others of.

I didn't care enough to read through your whole conversation with this person, I have no idea if they straw manned you earlier or not but whether or not they have done so more or less than you is absolutely irrelevant to my point, which was that in this particular case you compleeeeetely misrepresented what was being said by him/her in your reply to him/her either as a manipulative tactic, or simply because you lack reading comprehension.

I don't make assertions without being certain I can back them up with citation if requested. This has nothing to do with being Aspie, I didn't even know I was aspie until recently and so instead of relying on my "super autistic intelligence" so many aspies I have met seem to believe they posses without any evidence to the case, I applied myself and worked very hard to improve my critical thinking skills. I endeavor to improve daily and do not consider myself above reproach regardless of what you imagine I "seem like" from my two comments

Did you misspell genius intentionally as a joke or no?


Oh I see, you've hit the same wall as me in aspie conversations.

Sometimes it helps to step back and try and work out what was actually being said. I think a lot of arguments come from misunderstandings.

And then both sides just get angrier and angrier and then the thread gets locked.

This thread started with tubby lady appreciation. Let's get back to that.



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03 Sep 2017, 10:13 am

Closet Genious wrote:
SwimmingHigh wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
SwimmingHigh wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
hurtloam wrote:
In addition I'd like to say that a lot of aspies online think that what they have personally researched and conclusions they have drawn are the be all and end all. That irritates me.

Life is broader than just our own little bubble. Everyone's circumstances are different.

I dislike arrogance that ignores that.


Isn't it very arrogant to assume that no one has ever reached reasonable conclusions?


You are straw manning here, This hurtloam person didn't say that at all...
They said 'some' aspies think their conclusions are above reproach or refutation and that it annoys him/her.

Hurtloam is correct a lot of people in general think their conclusions are irrefutable when in fact they are not.
A lot (not all, ) of Aspies are under the impression that being autistic has gifted them with a superior intellect and critical thinking skills, and are apt to get incredibly cocky about it, often unwarranted.

I've had online debates with people who were incredibly lacking in critical thought and had absolutely no idea how formal debate was properly executed who assumed I was neurotypical and literally told me being aspie made them smarter than me.
LOLLLLL
I have an iq of 154 very few people are smarter than me much less the person in question who could barely cobble together a sentence.
smh


I disagree, I don't think I was straw manning any more than hurtloam, and I actually agreed with her point, my question was probably more of a philosophical one.

Judging from your two posts here, you are no less guilty of what you are accusing others of.

I didn't care enough to read through your whole conversation with this person, I have no idea if they straw manned you earlier or not but whether or not they have done so more or less than you is absolutely irrelevant to my point, which was that in this particular case you compleeeeetely misrepresented what was being said by him/her in your reply to him/her either as a manipulative tactic, or simply because you lack reading comprehension.

I don't make assertions without being certain I can back them up with citation if requested. This has nothing to do with being Aspie, I didn't even know I was aspie until recently and so instead of relying on my "super autistic intelligence" so many aspies I have met seem to believe they posses without any evidence to the case, I applied myself and worked very hard to improve my critical thinking skills. I endeavor to improve daily and do not consider myself above reproach regardless of what you imagine I "seem like" from my two comments

Did you misspell genius intentionally as a joke or no?


I actually didn't, I understood where hurtloam was coming from, and like I said, my question was of philsophical nature. You sure are great at trying to dictate what my intentions where, or my thought process as a whole. Honestly, I struggle to take you seriously at this point. :roll:



I struggle to take someone who misspells the word genius when applying it to himself seriously.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

ahem

You committed a straw man fallacy and all the crying you're doing about being called out for it cannot change that.
Consider removing your head from your anus and improving your debate technique and you will look less foolish in future.

Bye Felicia.


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03 Sep 2017, 10:29 am

SwimmingHigh wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
SwimmingHigh wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
SwimmingHigh wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
hurtloam wrote:
In addition I'd like to say that a lot of aspies online think that what they have personally researched and conclusions they have drawn are the be all and end all. That irritates me.

Life is broader than just our own little bubble. Everyone's circumstances are different.

I dislike arrogance that ignores that.


Isn't it very arrogant to assume that no one has ever reached reasonable conclusions?


You are straw manning here, This hurtloam person didn't say that at all...
They said 'some' aspies think their conclusions are above reproach or refutation and that it annoys him/her.

Hurtloam is correct a lot of people in general think their conclusions are irrefutable when in fact they are not.
A lot (not all, ) of Aspies are under the impression that being autistic has gifted them with a superior intellect and critical thinking skills, and are apt to get incredibly cocky about it, often unwarranted.

I've had online debates with people who were incredibly lacking in critical thought and had absolutely no idea how formal debate was properly executed who assumed I was neurotypical and literally told me being aspie made them smarter than me.
LOLLLLL
I have an iq of 154 very few people are smarter than me much less the person in question who could barely cobble together a sentence.
smh


I disagree, I don't think I was straw manning any more than hurtloam, and I actually agreed with her point, my question was probably more of a philosophical one.

Judging from your two posts here, you are no less guilty of what you are accusing others of.

I didn't care enough to read through your whole conversation with this person, I have no idea if they straw manned you earlier or not but whether or not they have done so more or less than you is absolutely irrelevant to my point, which was that in this particular case you compleeeeetely misrepresented what was being said by him/her in your reply to him/her either as a manipulative tactic, or simply because you lack reading comprehension.

I don't make assertions without being certain I can back them up with citation if requested. This has nothing to do with being Aspie, I didn't even know I was aspie until recently and so instead of relying on my "super autistic intelligence" so many aspies I have met seem to believe they posses without any evidence to the case, I applied myself and worked very hard to improve my critical thinking skills. I endeavor to improve daily and do not consider myself above reproach regardless of what you imagine I "seem like" from my two comments

Did you misspell genius intentionally as a joke or no?


I actually didn't, I understood where hurtloam was coming from, and like I said, my question was of philsophical nature. You sure are great at trying to dictate what my intentions where, or my thought process as a whole. Honestly, I struggle to take you seriously at this point. :roll:



I struggle to take someone who misspells the word genius when applying it to himself seriously.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

ahem

You committed a straw man fallacy and all the crying you're doing about being called out for it cannot change that.
Consider removing your head from your anus and improving your debate technique and you will look less foolish in future.

Bye Felicia.


For someone who claims to be smart, you make yourself look pretty stupid...

I hope you have a nice day.



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03 Sep 2017, 10:44 am

hurtloam, I am subscribed to Dr. Gregor and I discovered that video when I was dating a girl with PCOS and was trying to help her deal with her condition. But nice try.



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03 Sep 2017, 1:07 pm

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Oh, I love plus-size ladies, alright. Way more beautiful than those near-anorectic ones as far as I'm concerned.


most of the anorectic women i know want to be seen as unattractive. or, know they are unattractive due to their extremely low body weight but find it beautiful in a sick way. interesting, no?



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Oh, I love plus-size ladies, alright. Way more beautiful than those near-anorectic ones as far as I'm concerned.


most of the anorectic women i know want to be seen as unattractive. or, know they are unattractive due to their extremely low body weight but find it beautiful in a sick way. interesting, no?

Well, we can't all be Kate Moss!
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