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16 Aug 2018, 4:06 am

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Let's not forget that Lebanon also has Syriac/Phoenician/Jewish/Crusader descendants as well.


I was taking the piss. The point is that the language of Brazil is (Brazilian) Portuguese. The language of Lebanon is (Lebanese) Arabic. Surely this language came from somewhere? It didn't just appear. A merry little band of Arabs didn't just wend their merry way in and leave their tongue.

I'll leave it there. We know where we are. All the best dude. :-)



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16 Aug 2018, 4:24 am

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Let's not forget that Lebanon also has Syriac/Phoenician/Jewish/Crusader descendants as well.


I was taking the piss. The point is that the language of Brazil is (Brazilian) Portuguese. The language of Lebanon is (Lebanese) Arabic. Surely this language came from somewhere? It didn't just appear. A merry little band of Arabs didn't just wend their merry way in and leave their tongue.



The "Islamic caliphate" was an Arab empire, and like all empires they left linguistic traces, most brazilians are not Portuguese descendants but they all talk Portuguese today because this language was enforced on them, language =/= ancestry.
And umm.... Almost all Semitic civilizations in the Middle East who used to speak Semitic languages (ie. Aramaic, Syriac in the Levant, Punic/Berber in Maghreb) that been conquered by Arabs speaks Arabic today due to the extreme similarity of these semitic languages to Arabic (Arabic is descendant of Syriac), except the Jews who retained their original language thanks to ancient bibles. The most recent of this linguistic transformation is the Maronites, the Maronite were a Syriac people, their church is still officially called to this day the "Syriac Maronite Church of Antioch", their language was Syriac and their priests still use Syriac to this day, but most Maronite civilians nowadays speak only Arabic and barely understand any Syriac, their linguistic root was lost due to the reasons mentioned above.

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During the start of the patriarchs periods, the persecution of Christians and Arabization of the region, including the destruction of the Monastery of Saint Maron, led the majority of the Maronites to move to the barren mountains of Lebanon, especially the northern territory. They established a closed, rural, hierarchical society; re-established their communications with the Papacy during the Crusades; maintained Syriac up to the 18th century;[citation needed] and shifted to Lebanese Arabic as their native language


While non-semitic cultures showed more resistance to this linguistic domination due to much greater linguistic difference between Arabic and their ancestral language; pre-Ataturk Turkish for instance was written with Arabic script which is not the original Turkish script, Farsi is written with Arabic scripts....all these are due to historical failed attempts of Arab imperials to force the Arabic language on these non-semitic cultures.



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16 Aug 2018, 4:57 am

I tend to think that anybody whose mother tongue is Arabic is therefore an Arab. AFAIK the language originated in the Arabian peninsula and spread alongside Islam, however many self-identifying Arabs today practice other religions, notably Christianity. Egypt is universally thought of as a Arab country but the language was brought there sometime after the Hegira.

I have seen "Arabs" with blond hair and blue eyes and I have seen other "Arabs" with jet black skin. You could never convince me to think of "Arab" as a racial classification.

BTW speaking of Turkey, it is my understanding that at one time, there was a substantial population of Christian Arabs living in Turkey proper, including Istanbul, but it would seem that the vast majority of them left for the Western Hemisphere. One example would be US radio personally Diane Rehm (husband's surname) who BTW has blond hair.


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16 Aug 2018, 5:12 am

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I tend to think that anybody whose mother tongue is Arabic is therefore an Arab.


That'll piss off some of the minorities who aren't actually Arab.

Anyway, I've had that argument. Boring. Not interested. The main point is that most Middle Eastern countries don't produce good beer, although a few might be alright with the wine. But that's mainly Christians and Israel.



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16 Aug 2018, 7:24 am

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I tend to think that anybody whose mother tongue is Arabic is therefore an Arab.



This one of the word definition in the Larrousse. The other definition is the ethnicity originated from the Arabic peninsula.

So....the language-based definition is synonym to "Arabphone" but this word does not exist in Arabic.



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16 Aug 2018, 7:33 am

Tequila wrote:
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I tend to think that anybody whose mother tongue is Arabic is therefore an Arab.


That'll piss off some of the minorities who aren't actually Arab.

Anyway, I've had that argument. Boring. Not interested. The main point is that most Middle Eastern countries don't produce good beer, although a few might be alright with the wine. But that's mainly Christians and Israel.



And there's also Arak, the Turks drink Arak as well. A lot of Muslim levantines drink Arak as well :P.



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16 Aug 2018, 7:37 am

Is that raki? I've had the stuff. Not again ta.



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16 Aug 2018, 7:57 am

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Is that raki? I've had the stuff. Not again ta.


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16 Aug 2018, 8:40 am

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It's called "Sexual invisibility", google it. And yes, obesity is a common cause for this.
the strange thing is that I wasn't obese a few years ago and this still happened?
Obesity is only one cause. Other causes may include (but are not limited to) poor hygiene, poor grammar, poor fashion sense, visible disability, and a 'vibe' that says "Stay away!"


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16 Aug 2018, 9:05 am

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it's fun that i'm not exactly exotic looking... i'm a plain as it gets, but in the context i mentioned, i was a foreigner hence exotic. actually i remember one guy i met in hungary being openly disappointed that i was "too white for a brazilian" (even though he had seem photos of me prior but no idea what he expected), he even mentioned some football players to back up his claims.


From what I understand, Brazil is a melting pot like the United States, with many different ethnicities. :)



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16 Aug 2018, 9:10 am

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it's fun that i'm not exactly exotic looking... i'm a plain as it gets, but in the context i mentioned, i was a foreigner hence exotic. actually i remember one guy i met in hungary being openly disappointed that i was "too white for a brazilian" (even though he had seem photos of me prior but no idea what he expected), he even mentioned some football players to back up his claims.


From what I understand, Brazil is a melting pot like the United States, with many different ethnicities. :)


It's a 'melting pot' like South Africa is.

I'd sooner live in a modern-day Smith's Rhodesia than whichever moron is ruining Zim today. Smith, despite his faults, cared about his people. I daresay there would not be the racial system in place if Smith was running it today.



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16 Aug 2018, 9:26 am

^I see. :(



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16 Aug 2018, 10:27 am

Fnord wrote:
ltcvnzl wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
It's called "Sexual invisibility", google it. And yes, obesity is a common cause for this.
the strange thing is that I wasn't obese a few years ago and this still happened?
Obesity is only one cause. Other causes may include (but are not limited to) poor hygiene, poor grammar, poor fashion sense, visible disability, and a 'vibe' that says "Stay away!"



it probably got away with the other commentaries but this is an old thread i revived exactly to say that i just acknowledge that it seems that i never was do invisible as i think i am? i just seem to be completely unaware of how people perceive me.



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16 Aug 2018, 10:31 am

A couple of days ago, there was this woman who was over 200 pounds. Yet....still.....she just exuded that Femininity which I dig.

So I "crushed" on her for a couple of minutes, and admired her from afar.

I don't believe obesity has to preclude a woman from being attractive. I don't mind just hanging out on the couch watching TV myself.



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16 Aug 2018, 11:44 am

I have a reverse of your situation in that I'm a man over 40 so it's clearly obvious to me proven over countless instances that I'm invisible to young women. It's fine, I don't care, I'm married and not looking to be visible to young women, but it actually amuses me. I know I'm not imagining it. I think it's funny.



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16 Aug 2018, 4:03 pm

I find women of all shapes and sizes attractive. A big woman can be very attractive. Love it when a woman is voluptuous and hug-gable.


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