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04 Jan 2018, 3:14 pm

The_Face_of_Boo she isn't being condscending.



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04 Jan 2018, 3:16 pm

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The_Face_of_Boo she isn't being condescending.


She lists a dozen things of perfection and yet she claims that love is the main thing for her, yeah right...that's not condescending at all.



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04 Jan 2018, 3:58 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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The_Face_of_Boo she isn't being condescending.


She lists a dozen things of perfection and yet she claims that love is the main thing for her, yeah right...that's not condescending at all.


She's probably being sarcastic boo, there's no way anyone can be that stupid.

Then again... there was the girl who thought a 3 million dollar house was average...



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04 Jan 2018, 4:53 pm

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The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
ZachGoodwin wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo she isn't being condescending.


She lists a dozen things of perfection and yet she claims that love is the main thing for her, yeah right...that's not condescending at all.


She's probably being sarcastic boo, there's no way anyone can be that stupid.

Then again... there was the girl who thought a 3 million dollar house was average...


Yup, you can never know.



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04 Jan 2018, 5:18 pm

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Are you sure it’s that, there is no possibility that your personality and methods of interacting with people are unattractive? Can you explain why so many short, bald and overweight men seem to have families?

lol sly. No one needs to change their standards. It’s your problem they aren’t attracted to you, not theirs. Feminism is about the oppression and mistreatment of women. If someone doesn’t want to date you, they’re not mistreating you. No one owes someone else their attraction.

You like healthy weight women, right? You sexually prefer them? Women with feminine body shapes? It’s because it’s what biology dictates. Healthy women promote healthy offspring. You don’t have to be attracted to fat women if you’re not feeling it.

Biology dictates in women to go for good providers, strong men who protect and provide, negotiation and social authority which adds to that protection etc.

How exactly is it fair for you to be allowed to not feel anything for fat women, but it’s not okay for women to follow those biological instincts?

It really seems more like you are all butt hurt no one will have you so you blame the world. It’s the way it is. I’m not ideal for men, and I don’t expect them to change for me!! ! ! !


Thought feminism is about equality for both sexes and getting rid of gender stereotypes. Glad to see you admit it’s only about women and their issues.

They do if they don’t want to be single for ever. And if they ok with that they should stop complaining about how there’s not enough men, “boo hoo I’m so gosh picky there’s no men good enough for me so I’m forced to be single I’m so sad” those women aren’t forced to be single, they choose to be single cpbecause the elimination most men as possible partners due to their high standards.

I don’t systemically reject all fat women though. I naturally lowered my standards to reality and modern times. Most women aren’t thin anymore, that day is gone, a lot of women are fat now. If I want to date and have a partner eliminating the majority of women is the wrong thing to do. Especially over something as superficial as body size.
Lots of fat women have healthy offspring. Often cuter and thinner then themselves. Whether that kid becomes fat or not is on them and what their parents feed them. If I had kids they won’t get many snack foods, pop etc.

Thought we humans are dictated by biology and natural instincts, though we were above some primal urges. :roll:

I think you have me confused, I like fat women. I find them attractive, they good for cuddling too. I don’t find chubby or fat women unattractive. I find thin women more sexually attractive yes but I still find fat or chubby women very sexually attractive. I don’t give into primal biological drives it seems. Every woman but one I dated was chubby,fat etc what I’d consider average. I’ve had crush on three thin women, one I thought was chubby(the 19 old st work), the second is super playful which is highly attractive to me more so then body shape. The last one was cute and had short black hair so I found her pretty(I like short hair) their being thin was secondary to my attraction on them. Last one has longer hair now and I find her less attractive. Thoug it’s red which I like.

I’m upset stereotypes are being changed for women and not men. Women can work now, it’s ok for women to be fat now. But men still have to be the providers and can’t cry, can’t show emotion, they have to be manly and outdoorsy. The stereotypical male.



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04 Jan 2018, 5:22 pm

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I know NT people with average or slighly below average look. They all have a stable job and some earn good amount of money but they still struggle to find a woman because nowadays women prefer only the top 20% men in terms of physical appearance.

They say women care about personality before appearance but it's a lie. Based on many men and including my experiences women rather focus on physical appearance ever more so than men where as most of us are willing to settle down with women we barely find attractive on the physical level.
We're rather attracted to personal qualities than women, while women have a stronger interest in physical appearance and material aspects. Since how many men have you heard of not dating with a waitress? Not many but nearly all women have requirements in terms of education, salary and physical appearance when it comes dating with the other se
I don't wanna sound like a "woman hater" or anything. There're some good women out there who accept us like the way we are, but it's certainly sucks to be a man in 2018 when we have to bypass male models, actors to have attention from the other sex.
I've considered myself to turn gay or date men but I'm heterosexual so it would be hard for me to change my sexuality but if I can't find a woman I'd be willing to settle down with a man if things don't change or accept celibacy.


Has it ever occured to you that desperation, negativity, lack of confidence, insecurity create a repelling vibe. When you think you are not good enough people will feel it and will treat you accordingly.
But yeah it's easier to blame women...
Also a good hair cut and tasteful clothes help!
When I look around I see all types of people being in a relationship, a guy, disabled, bad leg and one arm has a girlfriend, he's got no ambitions, the other one, a chef, looks like uncle Fester, has a wife, a grumpy looking kitchen porter has a wife, my brother, the most negative person with massive eyebrows, a bit chubby and a waiter, has a girlfriend.



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04 Jan 2018, 5:30 pm

Leaving aside feminism and average gender-based differences in biology and so forth...

There's also a fairly simple supply-and-demand aspect to this. If a woman is reasonably attractive, reasonably intelligent, and not obviously batsh*t crazy, there will be men who are interested in dating her. Let's be realistic here, if she's a bit above average in looks, intelligent enough not to drool on herself, and is capable of acting like she's not batsh*t crazy for 15 minutes at a stretch, there will be men who are interested in dating her. She will have offers. She will have options, and she can choose among them. Men may even compete for her attention. If she has a choice of, say, three possible guys who are interested, she's probably either going to pick the best-looking one or the one with the fattest wallet.

And if you're honest with yourself, you'll admit you'd do the same thing. Given your choice of three hypothetical women, all other things being equal, you'd take the most beautiful or the richest over their poorer, plainer competition.
And wouldn't you like to be in that position?

Women don't, as a general rule, have to compete for male attention. We get it whether we want it or not. Men, on the other hand, spend a lot of time, energy, and effort competing for female attention. Sometimes y'all seem to think you're entitled to it whether we want to give it or not. (I will refrain, at this point, from going on a rant about rape culture. You're welcome.)

It is how it is. Women didn't create this system alone, so b*tching and moaning about how women are eeeeeeevil gold-digging whores who are solely to blame for the unfairness of a biological trend solidified through centuries of treating women as chattel and broodmares is pointless and counterproductive.


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04 Jan 2018, 5:51 pm

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Oh, hush.

We all know that only men are allowed to follow "biology."

Picky women are the reason Western civilization is falling, don't ya know.


Nobody talked about the fall of Western civilization. I don't even think there's such thing as a fall of Western civilization today. everybody is happy eat his Mcdonalds food use water to flush his s**t on the toilet where as African kids dye because of lack of water. from this perspective our lives is only wrong because of our own irrational standards and egoism that everybody has to post selfies on Instagram and constantly get obsessed with likes and comments on social media to feel fully humane.

If it was up to me we can all dye off, I don't want anyone to repdouce I support feminists to destoy every natural attempt which associate women with femininity I hope one day they will require women to take hormone therapy to turn themselves into men so they can compete with the rival sex even better. Let's have women with beards as well so they can enjoy the beard privilege and toxic masculinity also. :)

but of course you had to bring this discussion to off topic to win an argument when you can't face with truth you try to cope with bs nonsense like this.


The fall of Western civilization is something some men on WP (or at least one man repeatedly) brought up in the context of women being picky. It wasn't you who said so, but we keep hearing this argument. That's where the remark is coming from. XFilesGeek didn't make that up, someone else did and frequently talks about this.

Western civilization is dying its fact brought to you buy the same people who support global warming(that so many here worry about) science and scienctests. They’ve studied the past and civilizations l a fertility rate of 2.1 is needed to continue a civilization for 25. Years. Anything under is a declining civilization. Under 1.3 is unrecoverable(most Europe is at 1.4) us is 1.8. With that rate we can’t continue. So like it or not Western civilization won’t be around in 100-200 years. It’s a scientific fact.

World leaders and scientists are worried. Russia is trying to fix it by encouraging people to have babies. They building child car centers and funding child care services. China has eliminated their one child rule to try to correct theirs, Japan is more worried but doesn’t seem to know what to do. They sell more adult dippers then baby ones.
Now if your one who’s jaded at the world and so doesn’t care if western civilization or humans in entirely die out I could see not caring. But I personally do wish for western civilization and humans to continue for thousands of years.



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04 Jan 2018, 5:54 pm

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Gender roles and gender dynamics are still strong despite of feminism.

Well at least the male ones are. They’ve done a great job getting rid of femal roles and gender dynamics as with female stereotypes. Otherwise women would still be thin housewife’s and be called sluts and shunned by society for sleeping around. Nothing has been done about male ones thoug, since those support women and women like them and so why would they get rid of stuff that benifits them?



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04 Jan 2018, 5:56 pm

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Feminists hate it when it comes to the physical differences between men and women. Men are generally 20% bigger with more muscles and built which makes them capable to defend themselves. A woman will never be as good for a fireman or a soldier than a man is capable of. We're biologically more advantaged in terms of physical strength where as women have a better willpower to raise a kid or the so called "maternal instinct"


On average it probably does go like this, but there are always exceptions. I know a woman under 160 cm who can beat police men in arm wrestling (I've seen her do it; we worked as assistants together at a police station) and I know some men who clearly have more interest and patience in raising their kids than their wifes/partners do. The fact that many people refuse to acknowledge the existence of these exceptions tends to create conflicts.

Mos women are physically stronger then me. Another reason women won’t date me. I don’t really fit the masculine stereotypes. I’m not a real man. Probably only having a penis and finding women attractive is the only two reasons I could be vaguely defined as a man.



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04 Jan 2018, 6:01 pm

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As long as he loves me, that's what really matters...

And he needs to have a good job. How else will we take care of our children?

And he's gotta earn at least six-figures minimum. You know, the economy, inflation, putting our kids through college, etc.

And he's gotta be quite handsome, physically fit, healthy, muscular, over six feet, low body fat percentage, can run a mile in under six minutes so that he can play with our children every day and never get tired.

And nobody over forty years old, please. I mean, your life is already half over. I need someone young and fun.

If a guy meets the above criteria, I'd definitely start thinking about dating him.

And who knows, if things go well, I might even introduce him to my father.

Then he'll have to impress my father, who has higher standards than I do.

And my father is very close to me, so you need his approval.

But yeah, the main thing is love.


I dont know but millions of poor Americans raise children, billions of poor 3rd world people raise children. Seems a good job and money has nothing to do with raising children.
My moms raised me alone. She didn’t have a job. You don’t need 5 million per kid like wall street says you do. Two parents or even one with min wage job can rais kids.

Your second sentence completely contradicts your first, so him loving you isn’t all that matters.

Is this satire? If not enjoy being alone like a lot of women are. Nbeing alone not enjoying it they hate it and complain about it constantly on social media and dating sites.



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04 Jan 2018, 6:08 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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As long as he loves me, that's what really matters...

And he needs to have a good job. How else will we take care of our children?

And he's gotta earn at least six-figures minimum. You know, the economy, inflation, putting our kids through college, etc.

And he's gotta be quite handsome, physically fit, healthy, muscular, over six feet, low body fat percentage, can run a mile in under six minutes so that he can play with our children every day and never get tired.

And nobody over forty years old, please. I mean, your life is already half over. I need someone young and fun.

If a guy meets the above criteria, I'd definitely start thinking about dating him.

And who knows, if things go well, I might even introduce him to my father.

Then he'll have to impress my father, who has higher standards than I do.

And my father is very close to me, so you need his approval.

But yeah, the main thing is love.


I don't know where you live, but only about 20% of American households make six-figures (households, not men; meaning it's the income of a home family living together); so I would say only 10% of men make six-figures; and probably only 10% of men in the world are "quite handsome, physically fit, healthy, muscular, over six feet, low body fat percentage, can run a mile in under six minutes so that he can play with our children every day and never get tired".

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But yeah, the main thing is love.


Umm...are you being serious or trolling? After you list things that can only be found in a Hollywood actor you say that?

Either way, I think you're crazy.


The average household income here is $19 an hour so about 36,000 a year.
Min wage is $10. So it’s likely two min wage people living together or one making 19 an hour or so. Most people here don’t make 6 figures. Eugene is 21 I think. I make 11 an hour so I I dated someone making min wage we’d have a House income of 21 which would put us over the Springfield average and in line with Eugene. But women want a guy making alone 20+ more the better there are few such men in my area. So women remain single year after year after year complaining how there’s no men, how every guy who’s good enough to day beat them or treated them bad, well no duh well of men won the lottery there’s thousands of women desiring them. So to them women are play things to be used and tossed away when bored and move on to the new one. No wonder such men treat women badly. A poor guy would cherish such women and treat them with respect. I would anyways. But I don’t make enough. Still I’d spoil a gf with all my savings and extra income. But suppose a thousand or two a year isn’t enough spoiling :(



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04 Jan 2018, 6:10 pm

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The_Face_of_Boo she isn't being condescending.


She lists a dozen things of perfection and yet she claims that love is the main thing for her, yeah right...that's not condescending at all.


She's probably being sarcastic boo, there's no way anyone can be that stupid.

Then again... there was the girl who thought a 3 million dollar house was average...

I dont know most women in my area will list most those things. So not far off from what the average woman in my city demands from a guy then complains there’s no men to date and she’s lonely.



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I know NT people with average or slighly below average look. They all have a stable job and some earn good amount of money but they still struggle to find a woman because nowadays women prefer only the top 20% men in terms of physical appearance.

They say women care about personality before appearance but it's a lie. Based on many men and including my experiences women rather focus on physical appearance ever more so than men where as most of us are willing to settle down with women we barely find attractive on the physical level.
We're rather attracted to personal qualities than women, while women have a stronger interest in physical appearance and material aspects. Since how many men have you heard of not dating with a waitress? Not many but nearly all women have requirements in terms of education, salary and physical appearance when it comes dating with the other se
I don't wanna sound like a "woman hater" or anything. There're some good women out there who accept us like the way we are, but it's certainly sucks to be a man in 2018 when we have to bypass male models, actors to have attention from the other sex.
I've considered myself to turn gay or date men but I'm heterosexual so it would be hard for me to change my sexuality but if I can't find a woman I'd be willing to settle down with a man if things don't change or accept celibacy.


Has it ever occured to you that desperation, negativity, lack of confidence, insecurity create a repelling vibe. When you think you are not good enough people will feel it and will treat you accordingly.
But yeah it's easier to blame women...
Also a good hair cut and tasteful clothes help!
When I look around I see all types of people being in a relationship, a guy, disabled, bad leg and one arm has a girlfriend, he's got no ambitions, the other one, a chef, looks like uncle Fester, has a wife, a grumpy looking kitchen porter has a wife, my brother, the most negative person with massive eyebrows, a bit chubby and a waiter, has a girlfriend.


So just from seeing guys in public you can know their life story?
That one armed or disabled guy might be well off. Or they might been together before he became disabled. Most women will stay with a guy after he loses everything, they love him by that point, they wouldn’t however have dated him if he’d been that way to start. Chefs make good money.

How’d your brother meet her?
He likely wouldn’t have a gf here. Likewise if I lived in say Missouri where mine wage is $6 an hour and I still made $11 I’d bee seen as well off and liked by women. But here I’m seen as poor. And in say a African nation I’d be seen as rich. All depends where you live. Min wage in Seattle is $15 so I’d been seen as super poor there.



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04 Jan 2018, 6:17 pm

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Are you sure it’s that, there is no possibility that your personality and methods of interacting with people are unattractive? Can you explain why so many short, bald and overweight men seem to have families?

lol sly. No one needs to change their standards. It’s your problem they aren’t attracted to you, not theirs. Feminism is about the oppression and mistreatment of women. If someone doesn’t want to date you, they’re not mistreating you. No one owes someone else their attraction.

You like healthy weight women, right? You sexually prefer them? Women with feminine body shapes? It’s because it’s what biology dictates. Healthy women promote healthy offspring. You don’t have to be attracted to fat women if you’re not feeling it.

Biology dictates in women to go for good providers, strong men who protect and provide, negotiation and social authority which adds to that protection etc.

How exactly is it fair for you to be allowed to not feel anything for fat women, but it’s not okay for women to follow those biological instincts?

It really seems more like you are all butt hurt no one will have you so you blame the world. It’s the way it is. I’m not ideal for men, and I don’t expect them to change for me!! ! ! !


Oh, hush.

We all know that only men are allowed to follow "biology."

Picky women are the reason Western civilization is falling, don't ya know.


Nobody talked about the fall of Western civilization. I don't even think there's such thing as a fall of Western civilization today. everybody is happy eat his Mcdonalds food use water to flush his s**t on the toilet where as African kids dye because of lack of water. from this perspective our lives is only wrong because of our own irrational standards and egoism that everybody has to post selfies on Instagram and constantly get obsessed with likes and comments on social media to feel fully humane.

If it was up to me we can all dye off, I don't want anyone to repdouce I support feminists to destoy every natural attempt which associate women with femininity I hope one day they will require women to take hormone therapy to turn themselves into men so they can compete with the rival sex even better. Let's have women with beards as well so they can enjoy the beard privilege and toxic masculinity also. :)

but of course you had to bring this discussion to off topic to win an argument when you can't face with truth you try to cope with bs nonsense like this.


No, several of the men on here have accused women's "pickiness" as the fall of Western civilization. That's what I'm referencing.

As for the rest of it, certain men will go to great length to excuse men's behavior as a result of "biology," while conversely condemning female behavior as the result of malice. It's amazing how quickly the conversation dies when I suggest that women have very sound and practical reasons for acting as they do.


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04 Jan 2018, 6:24 pm

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Leaving aside feminism and average gender-based differences in biology and so forth...

There's also a fairly simple supply-and-demand aspect to this. If a woman is reasonably attractive, reasonably intelligent, and not obviously batsh*t crazy, there will be men who are interested in dating her. Let's be realistic here, if she's a bit above average in looks, intelligent enough not to drool on herself, and is capable of acting like she's not batsh*t crazy for 15 minutes at a stretch, there will be men who are interested in dating her. She will have offers. She will have options, and she can choose among them. Men may even compete for her attention. If she has a choice of, say, three possible guys who are interested, she's probably either going to pick the best-looking one or the one with the fattest wallet.

And if you're honest with yourself, you'll admit you'd do the same thing. Given your choice of three hypothetical women, all other things being equal, you'd take the most beautiful or the richest over their poorer, plainer competition.
And wouldn't you like to be in that position?

Women don't, as a general rule, have to compete for male attention. We get it whether we want it or not. Men, on the other hand, spend a lot of time, energy, and effort competing for female attention. Sometimes y'all seem to think you're entitled to it whether we want to give it or not. (I will refrain, at this point, from going on a rant about rape culture. You're welcome.)

It is how it is. Women didn't create this system alone, so b*tching and moaning about how women are eeeeeeevil gold-digging whores who are solely to blame for the unfairness of a biological trend solidified through centuries of treating women as chattel and broodmares is pointless and counterproductive.

No your right only women are entitled to love and companionship. Men are just lucky to get any at all.

I wouldn’t take the best looking or richest. I don’t want to be wealthy and deal with all the crap that comes with it. And looks fade and I’d be judged all the time for being with a model looking woman. I don’t go after super gorgeous women or thin or well off. I gomafter min wage or unemployed women who are chubby. But they are pretty so I’m not good enoug, and they want a guy who makes good money despite them not making good money.

Women changed the system for themselves m why not change to help men? Reality is women will either have to start dating men they deem not good enough or start entering real where it’s one guy and multiple women. But doesn’t seem most women like being a guys mistress. But such men are becoming rarer and rarer and it’ll only get worse with automatation. Men are being pushed out of the job market far greater then women. There isn’t enough real men for all the women. What will they do? It’s time to either change or die. Sorry it’s not 1950 anymore. So women need to get with the times or accept their fate. As boo would say maybe they should start visiting cat adoption centers. All this does is starts making me hate women all women I don’t want to but honestly most women are horrible humans. We need a nuclear war or an asteroid. Earth needs a serious reboot. Human race was a utter failure. Come on Kim nuke us let’s start this up. And hopefully the next hman civilization starting from rubble with mid evil tech will do better.