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^ Height generally isn’t a commercial beauty standard in either gender. Men and women of all heights are played up in the media and lusted over.

Who actually cares if people you don’t know don’t like short men or fat women. Don’t take it so personally.

I highly really doubt that many people are influenced by commercial beauty standards at all. You like what your body tells you is sexy.

It’s mainly an excuse used to make people feel better about themselves.

Height is definitely one of the very obvious commercial beauty standards, models must be tall to be accepted (for both genders), height is also a main measure in beauty pageants (both genders).

It is known that hollywood male actors have to wear elevating shoes or directors do tricks to make them look taller on screen. And it's not just Tom Cruise: http://edictive.com/blog/how-do-filmmak ... ok-taller/ - it's a filmaking standard.

But since women prefer tallness in men generally, it suddenly becomes 'not a commercial beauty standard' .

Men preferring non-obese women = influenced by the commercial beauty standards.

Women preferring taller men = Not influenced by the commercial beauty standards.

That's your logic all the time, really.

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I don’t hear more about models than sports players, actors and singers, who are often voted “sexiest x of 2018” etc.

David Beckham for example. Models are basically used because they need to function like tall wardrobe hangers.

There is no question clothes look better on thin people.

Today’s models definitely are not all “commercial beauties”, gaps in teeth and alien shaped heads.

So, you’re pissed off that women like apparently commercial beauty standards in men. How does that make you any less lame than fat women who complain about men’s “commercial beauty” taste?

What do you mean it’s “my logic”? I don’t give a s**t who men like or why. You’re talking out of your arse if you think I think fat women deserve more of a chance than short men.

No, I am pissed off because many of you deny this just to sound less superficial - and then they accuse men of being influenced by commercial beauty standards, like this pink panther girl did to me for simply pointing out that beauty is mostly objective, not subjective.

The whole concept of what human perceive as beauty is influenced by “commercial beauty standards” is stupid, the “commercial beauty standards” didn't come from nowhere, they came what from what the market prefers.

Get a life mate, and don’t lump me with these people. There are more to people than their genitalia.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn ... ful-faces/

...and now you are gonna tell me that even the newborn babies are influenced by the media.

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You’re just trolling now. Go and waste your time making fake tinder profiles. I’m going out for drinks.

You're just pissed off because I presented hard science proofs that support my claims.

And it's hard for you to refute that. Enjoy your drink.

Regardless how she actually looked like, the point is what they perceived as attractive didn't differ much from our modern days. The ancient sculptor may have 'photoshopped' her .

Do you mean many in general, on WP, or just on this thread? If it's the first, yes, sounding superficial if you are female is the equivalent to drowning kittens. This one catches me out A LOT! which is why I have no friends. If you mean on WP, has it occurred to you that some female Aspies believe what the NT females around them repeatedly tell them (I used to) Everyone is probably influenced a bit but I think most of it is down to complicated mix of genetic preprograming that tips heavily towards up finding the fitter, stronger, more fertile of the opposite sex attractive. It's just that it is too easy to over simplify this as to mean that we are all after the same few perfect people. If we were all that fussy, that to would have lead us to extinction.Yes but it is dominated by what they can sell us. They are not aimed at telling us what we should find attractive in the opposite sex, they are about telling us what we should consider unattractive in ourselves so they can sell us something to solve our faults. They also give us a false idea of normal. Men's height (since it is obviously your favourite subject) is a good example. The preference for tall men comes from women instinctively (I have only agreed with you on this). Commercialism sees this, uses tall men to sell things ect. Women's idea of how tall the average man (their idea of normal) is increases. This works in everything.

You may have a point (a bit) about us wanting to think the reason some men don't find us attractive is because they have been influenced by commercialism, but we don't have a monopoly on self-delusion. Everyone feels the stack is decked against them.

How is height any less of a beauty standard than weight?

Height is less obvious on screen. All you have to go by is height in comparison to other characters, but you seldom see shorter male leads paired with taller female leads.

though beauty products in egyptian times were not as widely available as they are today :p i think more people can access better nutrition/ sports/ make up/ etc with improves their looks and as such i would say out society is more competitively and obsessively good looking in comparison to past societies. more attention to details.

The point was, short men and women are still glamouised and used as examples of “sexy” in the media, as opposed to fat vs thin people.

Height is not completely irrelevant, but apart from modelling, it doesn’t actually stop short men from succeeding. Most Hollywood actors are a lot smaller than you’d think - there is pressure to “appear” taller than the women, half the time they just use quite tiny women.

Fat people are generally only cast as the “token fat person”.

I don’t really agree that the media influences people’s attraction that much.

I was actually pissed off because you accused me of implying fat women deserve more of a chance than short men, which I didn’t, and having “logic” to which is nothing like what I actually think.

Also “proofs” is not a word.

A lot of short men I've known are insecure about their height.

It has nothing to do with the moral constitution of short men, and everything to do with the fact society makes short men feel like sh_t.

I find that short/shorter men feel insecure in spite of women. I think many men think of height as being a reflection of their masculinity.

It also depends on your culture. Some cultures like short stocky men believing them to be more sturdy, better farmers and tend to live longer. Some cultures like tall men because they believe it makes them more likely to be excellent warriors and that their ability to tower over women makes them a better protector.