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23 Aug 2019, 1:12 am

[quote="Anngables"

I can have this conversation with other friends.
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What do you mean? What sort of conversation? What do you say?

Surely you don't need verbal confirmation. A friend is someone who wants to spend time and talk to you. Declaring your friendship is unusual even for NTs



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23 Aug 2019, 1:48 am

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He made it clear that he has a relationship with someone he deeply loves and intended be faithful too.

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He said that ours was a "instant love" in a platonic way and he wants us to be friends "forever"


Personally, I think it's all here..

There does seem to be some truth in saying he was flirting or trying to get some kind of attention, but I guess it's up to you to decide how you feel about it. You have a right to be upset but you have to remember at the end of the day what the boundaries were.


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23 Aug 2019, 2:36 am

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ElizabethBerlin wrote:
Hello,
He made it clear that he has a relationship with someone he deeply loves and intended be faithful too.

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He said that ours was a "instant love" in a platonic way and he wants us to be friends "forever"


Personally, I think it's all here..

There does seem to be some truth in saying he was flirting or trying to get some kind of attention, but I guess it's up to you to decide how you feel about it. You have a right to be upset but you have to remember at the end of the day what the boundaries were.


It's not that black and white. There has to a correlation between words and actions. His words said one thing and his actions said another.

I've seen this happen before. It's so they can deny they were just having a bit of fun and it makes the woman look crazy.

"My actions mean nothing because of what I said. You are to blame. You didn't listen to my words, you only listened to the flirtation." It's like a get out of jail free card.

He bears some of the blame here. He's not innocent.

I have a parent who had an emotional affair. They got upset when friends pulled them up on how inappropriate they were being with this younger "friend".

"But we're just friends!" They would say.

They never kissed, there was no sexual contact (teenage me was used as a chaperone to make a point that they were just friends), but looking back i can see now that they were definitely not just friends. Niave me believed they were, but now I'm older I can see how inappropriate it was.

Some people think they can skirt as close to the line as possible and it's all ok. Being a decent person isn't about pushing things as far as you can without stepping over the line.

Just because someone says something doesn't make it true.



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23 Aug 2019, 3:12 am

hurtloam wrote:
I have a parent who had an emotional affair. They got upset when friends pulled them up on how inappropriate they were being with this younger "friend".

"But we're just friends!" They would say.

They never kissed, there was no sexual contact (teenage me was used as a chaperone to make a point that they were just friends), but looking back i can see now that they were definitely not just friends. Niave me believed they were, but now I'm older I can see how inappropriate it was.


Well, as I wrote before, many NDs have different opinions of where the line to being unfaithful go. I don't think flirting passes that line. I basically think that as long as you keep the connection and have regular contact that is all that is required, and it is the only thing I'm really concerned with.

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Some people think they can skirt as close to the line as possible and it's all ok. Being a decent person isn't about pushing things as far as you can without stepping over the line.


Perhaps if you are one of the more rigid types, but I doubt most NDs want to push things to the extreme line unless it is something that is part of their preferences that is not allowed.

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Just because someone says something doesn't make it true.


Correct, and that's relevant for NDs too. What they say might not be more correct than what an NT says, especially not if it is something said because something is forbidden or perceived as wrong. You'd have to go on actions for NDs too, and not just what they say. Personally, I always prefer to validate actions first and words last.



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23 Aug 2019, 3:18 am

Anngables wrote:
How do you tell the difference with an aspie if he has lost interest. . . . Or if he still values and respects you as a friend but has just moved onto other matters of interests so has less time to spare for you. Especially if he feels fairly confident in your friendship. . . .. . . ..


I suspect that is easy. You just listen to him while he talks about his interests. Many Aspies just love to talk endlessly about their interests and so this should be easy. :wink:



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23 Aug 2019, 12:13 pm

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hurtloam wrote:
I have a parent who had an emotional affair. They got upset when friends pulled them up on how inappropriate they were being with this younger "friend".

"But we're just friends!" They would say.

They never kissed, there was no sexual contact (teenage me was used as a chaperone to make a point that they were just friends), but looking back i can see now that they were definitely not just friends. Niave me believed they were, but now I'm older I can see how inappropriate it was.


Well, as I wrote before, many NDs have different opinions of where the line to being unfaithful go. I don't think flirting passes that line. I basically think that as long as you keep the connection and have regular contact that is all that is required, and it is the only thing I'm really concerned with.

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Some people think they can skirt as close to the line as possible and it's all ok. Being a decent person isn't about pushing things as far as you can without stepping over the line.


Perhaps if you are one of the more rigid types, but I doubt most NDs want to push things to the extreme line unless it is something that is part of their preferences that is not allowed.

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Just because someone says something doesn't make it true.


Correct, and that's relevant for NDs too. What they say might not be more correct than what an NT says, especially not if it is something said because something is forbidden or perceived as wrong. You'd have to go on actions for NDs too, and not just what they say. Personally, I always prefer to validate actions first and words last.


How do you think the spouse feels?

What you've written is all about self gratification. "Part of their preference"... Oh please. Complete disregard for other people's feelings, both the person you're leading on and the partner at home.

There's flirting and being a cute in a sort of friendly way and there's flirting with a sexual or romantic undertone. The latter type is extremely unfair and hurtful to one's partner.



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23 Aug 2019, 1:09 pm

I say you are obviously lusting him and he knows it, so he’s exploiting that.



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23 Aug 2019, 3:24 pm

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How do you think the spouse feels?

What you've written is all about self gratification. "Part of their preference"... Oh please. Complete disregard for other people's feelings, both the person you're leading on and the partner at home.

There's flirting and being a cute in a sort of friendly way and there's flirting with a sexual or romantic undertone. The latter type is extremely unfair and hurtful to one's partner.


I don't believe in a lot of the NT-typical things that are supposed to be part of relationships. I prefer polyamory over monogamy, mostly because monogamy means a partner will just dump me if she finds somebody new, while in polyamory, she can just add another partner and keep her feelings for me. That's actually just as important to me as being exclusive probably is to you. I cannot handle sudden breaks in a romance/relationship, and I have no desire to force my partner to be exclusive. I'm fine with her being exclusive anyway, but I don't require it.

Flirting is just a social behavior that is fun to participate in. It typically leads nowhere, and it's not a threat if you are in a polyamory relationship.



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23 Aug 2019, 9:29 pm

hurtloam wrote:
[quote="Anngables"

I can have this conversation with other friends.


What do you mean? What sort of conversation? What do you say?

Surely you don't need verbal confirmation. A friend is someone who wants to spend time and talk to you. Declaring your friendship is unusual even for NTs[/quote]

I would have a conversation saying. Have I upset you. . . . If feels like something has changed in our friendship etc etc.

A friend would respond either would saying what might have happened. . . Maybe I had upset them unintentionally. Or maybe they are in the middle of so,ecrisis I didn’t know about. We can then talk and maybe I can offer support etc.

If o asked that of my aspie friend he would immediately hear it as a form of criticism and go on the defensive, and the communication would come to a stop. . . . He would often misinterpret why I was asking that he had “done” something wrong



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23 Aug 2019, 9:33 pm

In the space of 4yrs my friendship has gone from feeling like some kind of emotional affair. Not being sure of my feelings but being bombarded with attention and apparent concern for my well being constantly. . . . To someone who I hear from usually when he needs something from me. . . . . Does he actually care about me. . . .. . . .. probably in his own way. . . . . .who knows . . . ..



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24 Aug 2019, 6:42 am

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In the space of 4yrs my friendship has gone from feeling like some kind of emotional affair. Not being sure of my feelings but being bombarded with attention and apparent concern for my well being constantly. . . . To someone who I hear from usually when he needs something from me. . . . . Does he actually care about me. . . .. . . .. probably in his own way. . . . . .who knows . . . ..


Yeah, I have one of them.

He's very independent so doesn't ever ask for anything. At least he gets in touch to socialise with no need for a reason.

At first I was amazed at the fact a bloke actually wanted to keep in regular contact with me. It was really nice. Sometimes I felt like it was a bit much.

Now there's hardly any contact. :shrug:

It was nice while it lasted.

I do think he cares, but in a needing his own space kinda way and not in any romantic kinda way. Which is fine, I'm getting used to it.

Sometimes the good things don't last.

How pissed do you think he would be if he ever found this forum and recognised your posts are about him.

I kinda live in dread of that happening. I've really struggled to cope and I needed some support and I got it here. My friends think I should have moved on more quickly. It's over to them, but I'm still healing.



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24 Aug 2019, 2:28 pm

I think (if he is Asperger) there may have been an element of AS-NT misinterpretation. Because to those of us with AS, what we say is usually more true to ourselves than how we act.

Hello Mrs. Peel, thank you for your comment. Could you expand on that a little bit? And yes, I should tell him what not to do and hope he'll stick with it, but before I need to find out if he is acting this way because he doesn't know better or he just pretends to.



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24 Aug 2019, 2:45 pm

rdos: "Many Aspies are unable to have friendships that look anything like the typical friendship, and they often are mixed-gender I-wish-it-was-a-relationship instead.

IOW, it is the I-wish-it-was-a-relationship type of friendship.

Well, it resembles what his mind thinks is a friendship, but that, in reality, is courtship.[/quote]"

Hello rdos, thanks so much for your comments from Sweden. When we talked about it, he said that to me that while being very sure of his love to his girlfriend there are many different kinds of "being in love" and that friendship to him had a lot to do with love – and that the lines for him were blurred.
I can only see him in about two weeks to have a longer talk, and my mind is still veering between being totally distrustful and ascribing this to a misunderstanding. Anyway, could you tell me a bit more about what you mean by this "Many Aspies are unable to have friendships that look anything like the typical friendship, and they often are mixed-gender I-wish-it-was-a-relationship instead". Or how this looks from the inside?
Or why his mind would think "Friendship" when the signs are "Courtship"?
I can't quite wrap my mind around it...
Oh, and as for his interests: Yes he has a very deep knowledge in certain fields. He is working with people and I guess he has learned to stop himself after a certain point. So he does not go on for hours, just sometimes get a little off topic which I totally dig in its nerdiness. But when we did walk in the park towards a café it took him half an hour to explain all the birds to me (one of his fields) and when I made a a lude remark about bird A being compatible with bird B he took it literally so....



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24 Aug 2019, 2:49 pm

886 wrote:
ElizabethBerlin wrote:
Hello,
He made it clear that he has a relationship with someone he deeply loves and intended be faithful too.

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He said that ours was a "instant love" in a platonic way and he wants us to be friends "forever"


Personally, I think it's all here..

There does seem to be some truth in saying he was flirting or trying to get some kind of attention, but I guess it's up to you to decide how you feel about it. You have a right to be upset but you have to remember at the end of the day what the boundaries were.


TRUE! I did know, and I was aware he was sending mixed signals. It think I could've lived with this – just the fact that he was planning his marriage while all of this happend was one thing too much.



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24 Aug 2019, 3:27 pm

I base my claims about NDs and friendships on a large study with several 1000 NDs and NTs I did in Aspie Quiz a while ago. I still haven't written a paper about it since I'm not sure how everything should be interpreted, and if some other study needs to be done too before presenting the conclusions. Still, the results indicated that NDs (and particularly guys) are much less likely to have friends, and when they had friends, they more often were mixed-gender friendships. I also asked those that had a friend about what type of friendship it was, and when I grouped these types as "romantic" and "friendship", it turned out that more NDs had selected the romantic types.



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24 Aug 2019, 4:42 pm

ElizabethBerlin wrote:
rdos: "Many Aspies are unable to have friendships that look anything like the typical friendship, and they often are mixed-gender I-wish-it-was-a-relationship instead.

IOW, it is the I-wish-it-was-a-relationship type of friendship.

Well, it resembles what his mind thinks is a friendship, but that, in reality, is courtship.

Hello rdos, thanks so much for your comments from Sweden. When we talked about it, he said that to me that while being very sure of his love to his girlfriend there are many different kinds of "being in love" and that friendship to him had a lot to do with love – and that the lines for him were blurred.
I can only see him in about two weeks to have a longer talk, and my mind is still veering between being totally distrustful and ascribing this to a misunderstanding. Anyway, could you tell me a bit more about what you mean by this "Many Aspies are unable to have friendships that look anything like the typical friendship, and they often are mixed-gender I-wish-it-was-a-relationship instead". Or how this looks from the inside?
Or why his mind would think "Friendship" when the signs are "Courtship"?
I can't quite wrap my mind around it...
Oh, and as for his interests: Yes he has a very deep knowledge in certain fields. He is working with people and I guess he has learned to stop himself after a certain point. So he does not go on for hours, just sometimes get a little off topic which I totally dig in its nerdiness. But when we did walk in the park towards a café it took him half an hour to explain all the birds to me (one of his fields) and when I made a a lude remark about bird A being compatible with bird B he took it literally so....


Be careful, rdos has his own very unique views on NDs that pretty much no one else shares. He believes NDs are telepathic. He's not a very good source of information.

His views on NDs are his views on NDs and are to be taken with a truck sized pinch of salt.

He doesn't seem to understand that other people are not him and us folks on the spectrum are not all like him

BE CAUTIOUS.

He's entertaining, but not to be taken too seriously. We love him, but not sure many agree with him.