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Fnord wrote:
Twilightprincess wrote:
The New Oxford American Dictionary defines feminism as "the advocacy of women’s rights on the basis of the equality of the sexes."...
"When you’re accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression." -- Clay Shirk, writer and teacher"Demands for equality for women are threats to men's self-esteem and sense of sexual turf." -- Alice S. Rossi, feminist and sociologist
17 Dec 2019, 3:23 pm
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17 Dec 2019, 3:33 pm
The OP sounds so totally dreamy, it's a wonder why he can't get a woman to sleep with him. 
I'm a virgin female incel, but I know and understand why I'm not the kind of woman men are dying to sleep with.
17 Dec 2019, 3:37 pm
Pepe wrote:
Twilightprincess wrote:
The New Oxford American Dictionary defines feminism as “the advocacy of women’s rights on the basis of the equality of the sexes.”
That’s how I would define it myself. There’s nothing inherently wrong with such a concept, and I’m puzzled as to why it riles people up on here. Many of my professors in college were and are feminists.
That’s how I would define it myself. There’s nothing inherently wrong with such a concept, and I’m puzzled as to why it riles people up on here. Many of my professors in college were and are feminists.
The problem is: "Militant/Radical Feminism".
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Feminists treat men badly. It’s bad for feminism.
Feminist male-bashing has come to sound like a cliche — a misogynist caricature. Feminism, its loudest proponents vow, is about fighting for equality. The man-hating label is either a smear or a misunderstanding.
Yet a lot of feminist rhetoric today does cross the line from attacks on sexism into attacks on men, with a strong focus on personal behavior: the way they talk, the way they approach relationships, even the way they sit on public transit. Male faults are stated as sweeping condemnations; objecting to such generalizations is taken as a sign of complicity. Meanwhile, similar indictments of women would be considered grossly misogynistic.
This gender antagonism does nothing to advance the unfinished business of equality. If anything, the fixation on men behaving badly is a distraction from more fundamental issues, such as changes in the workplace to promote work-life balance. What’s more, male-bashing not only sours many men — and quite a few women — on feminism. It often drives them into Internet subcultures where critiques of feminism mix with hostility toward women.
Feminist male-bashing has come to sound like a cliche — a misogynist caricature. Feminism, its loudest proponents vow, is about fighting for equality. The man-hating label is either a smear or a misunderstanding.
Yet a lot of feminist rhetoric today does cross the line from attacks on sexism into attacks on men, with a strong focus on personal behavior: the way they talk, the way they approach relationships, even the way they sit on public transit. Male faults are stated as sweeping condemnations; objecting to such generalizations is taken as a sign of complicity. Meanwhile, similar indictments of women would be considered grossly misogynistic.
This gender antagonism does nothing to advance the unfinished business of equality. If anything, the fixation on men behaving badly is a distraction from more fundamental issues, such as changes in the workplace to promote work-life balance. What’s more, male-bashing not only sours many men — and quite a few women — on feminism. It often drives them into Internet subcultures where critiques of feminism mix with hostility toward women.
Many men flinch when they hear the term "Feminism" because of aspects of "Misandry" in our community.
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Misandry (/mɪˈsændri/) is the hatred of, contempt for, or prejudice against men or boys in general.[1][2][3] Misandry may be manifested in numerous ways, including social exclusion, sex discrimination, hostility, gynocentrism, matriarchy, belittling of men, violence against men, and sexual objectification. Such attitudes may be normalised culturally, such as through humour at the expense of men or boys, or blaming all world problems on “men”, or suggesting that men are redundant.
There is also the perceived connection between Feminism and weaponised Political Correctness,
And I have personally been in a work environment with a Misandrist who enjoyed keeping men under her heel through the perversion of PC.
There are many examples of misandry in the mainstream media these days.
"Man bashing" is seen everywhere, particularly in the sewers of public commentary such as "Twitter".
The irony is, misogyny has zero-tolerance whereas misandry, generally speaking, is "acceptable" overall.
It is not the case of you, the individual, bringing "Feminism" into focus,
It is the actions of the feminist extremists which make many men "Hand-Shy".
I was hoping to keep this conversation light and silly (personal flaws and all that) but alas...
I’ve experienced and observed much more misogyny than anything else and to an extreme degree, but I can’t speak for everyone else’s experience. I never said that I was in the mood for such a debate, especially given the past couple of days. I was, initially, just responding to an absurd and silly personal attack.
There are extremists in almost every facet of society. I avoid extremism in whatever facet it appears in.
Overall, I tend to like political correctness. Is it pushed too far? Sure.
The other day my dad complained because “you can’t make fun of fat people anymore.”
For one thing, such jokes are never funny and they are, in my mind, indicative of lazy, untalented comedians. Secondly, I don’t like the idea of hurting people’s feelings.
17 Dec 2019, 3:40 pm
lostonearth35 wrote:
The OP sounds so totally dreamy, it's a wonder why he can't get a woman to sleep with him.
I'm a virgin female incel, but I know and understand why I'm not the kind of woman men are dying to sleep with.
I'm a virgin female incel, but I know and understand why I'm not the kind of woman men are dying to sleep with.
Apart from being an angry incel who likes to engage in personal attacks and likens his personal advances towards women to Sméagol from Lord of the Rings, I’m sure he’s absolutely dreamy.
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17 Dec 2019, 4:35 pm
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In the 60s and 70s, there was feminism. Today, there is man-hating. Having said that, I don't think that anybody's entitled to sex.
Agreed.
Sex should be verboten entirely.
Save the planet!
17 Dec 2019, 4:39 pm
Twilightprincess wrote:
I was hoping to keep this conversation light and silly (personal flaws and all that) but alas...
Ironic, eh?
That being one of the few "serious" posts I make.
17 Dec 2019, 6:12 pm
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17 Dec 2019, 6:15 pm
All women are soooo eeeeevil. Why else would we be able to bleed for several days each month and not die? 
