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30 Jun 2020, 4:47 pm

Likewise I’m just explaining what I’ve seen and experienced and what I’d Like in a relationship. Not trying to put down your experiences, or preferred relationship type.
I hope you don’t tell your wife to calm down when discussing :twisted: :lol:
The road thing was a Metaphor, for which you guys are taking to literally.
There’s a decision that needs made, with only two options and you two disagree, the decision has to be made one way or the other. I think when push comes to shove one of people in the relationship will just make the decision and the other will either accept it or end the relationship

Being in a relationship means you give up your autonomy for most part. Things you do effect the other. That means sometimes doing things you don’t want to or like.

I’d go to social gatherings with a gf even though I might not prefer them.
To go would be her deciding it for us. I’d go to stay in the relationship.
From what I’ve seen most couples don’t sit around and debate every single decision like congress.


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30 Jun 2020, 5:11 pm

LOL no, she is the most even-tempered person I've ever met :lol: You seemed upset, I didn't mean to sound condescending or dismissive :oops:

Sorry - literal aspie here :lol:

I think I get what you're saying, I was never willing to give up my autonomy which is why I never thought I would get married. I never go to social gatherings I don't feel comfortable with and rarely of more than 4-5 people I already know and my wife never asked me to.

I think the reason we easily make decisions together is that we both lean the same way in most things so there's no need for any protracted or hostile exchange. What you mention happened before in other relationships and it contributed to breaking up.

I might be the exception, but I had a very clear idea of what I would want a LTR to be and would rather be single than make compromises that would affect my identity and well-being. But I'm very laid-back and find it easy to get along as I'm neutral on stuff like where to eat and other trivial things. But now that you mention it, I do know one couple that makes every little decision into a big fight and a battle of wills. The strangest part is that they both enjoy it 8O To each their own I guess.


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30 Jun 2020, 5:44 pm

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me also tend to be the ones who put out the garbage/bins, clean toilets, cut the grass (in addition to walking in the freezing cold at 3am to check the back yard because some owl or possum decided to make a racket).






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30 Jun 2020, 6:49 pm

A romantic relationship should not be driven by power in the first place. If that’s the case, it’s an unhealthy arrangement.



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30 Jun 2020, 6:51 pm

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So could the guy go buy a PS4 for $300 without his gf being pissed for doing it without asking?
Not in western society. Once a guy gets in relationship he no longer has free will for buying things or who he spends time with. I was always told that once I get a gf she’ll make me sell all my video games and guns.
The punishment for spending money can range from a fight, no sex all way to it’s me or that, ie separation/divorce. So most guys find ways to sneak hide money and purchases. “Can’t let the wife find out” they’ve come up with some interesting systems to do It. So,e have secrete bank accounts that they put money they earned from under table work into so they can buy stuff then sneak it into the house. Cause their wife or gf has access to the joint account and would see if they spent money.
Others bargain. Well if I get this you can get those expensive shoes.
This guy was in yesterday to buy range finding binoculars. Whole time his wife was hammering him about it telling him he didn’t need to spend so much just get those cheap ones. She didn’t seem to understand those cheap ones didn’t do range finding.
I see this stuff all time at work. I’ll have guys ask me to hold something so they can come back later when their wife or gf isn’t with them.
Now while $500 scope or a $200 knife is a lot for me and maybe you, it’s not for them.
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I notice your fixation on money here again. Try to let go this concept please. Money does not define your value. Have you been traumatized or something?



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30 Jun 2020, 10:56 pm

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Finding a dominant woman isn’t easy. I dont know if it’s societal or biology but it does seem like most women are submissive. I find it annoying.
Perhaps is I was dominant it wouldn’t be.

Which is why relationships where the woman is dominant are seen as strange and odd.

I just don't like the whole dominant-submissive concept of relationships. May be nice for BDSM fantasies but for a long term relationship, I prefer cooperative-cooperative.

I would expect it.

Oh, come on, if you want to spend decades with someone, you need to learn some more mature ways of dealing with conflicts than "You must do what I say because of my sexual organs and different hormone balance!"


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WTF? 8O

I don't know how you got my comment wrong. :scratch:
I was saying I would expect equality in a relationship.

Maybe *that* is the reason I never found a long term significant-other relationship. :mrgreen:



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30 Jun 2020, 11:04 pm

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How exactly am I bullying you? I genuinely find it a strange question: I browse or use all kind of sites and run into all kind of stuff, I found this one mildly amusing but pretty run-of-the-mill.


You have quickly joined another person to attempt to highlight supposedly negative aspects about my question. My original, neutrally worded question generated such responses, instead of being taken as a valid inquiry. I consider such a reaction to be hostile, even if from your part, only mildly so.

I find it odd that someone takes the extra energy to voice how they're offended by something they can simply avoid by choice. Unless, of course, it's to deliberately create content on an internet forum.



Guys, guys, guys,
I am going to have to step in here.

Erm,
Not bloody likely! :mrgreen:



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01 Jul 2020, 12:14 am



8O why do i search hodge twins, complicated stuff here :nerdy: :mrgreen:



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01 Jul 2020, 7:29 am

sly279 wrote:
The road thing was a Metaphor, for which you guys are taking to literally.

Not really - we do make all our decisions that way: whoever invests more, cares more or takes more responsibility, has more to say. It doesn't need a Congress-like debate, just a quick exchange of opinions every now and then - especially after you've had years to learn each other's preferences.


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01 Jul 2020, 7:45 am

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So could the guy go buy a PS4 for $300 without his gf being pissed for doing it without asking?
Depends on the stage of the relationship.
The stage of regularily dating - each has their own money to do whatever pleases them and if you don't like each other's hobbies, better reconsider this relationship.
The stage of living together with shared finances - I would find it impolite to do any big spending without consulting each other, especially if it could affect financial fluidity of the household.
In practice, my husband spends quite a lot on his hobbies and I support him doing it because they help him keep sane.

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Now while $500 scope or a $200 knife is a lot for me and maybe you, it’s not for them.
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What "them"?


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01 Jul 2020, 1:04 pm

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I notice your fixation on money here again. Try to let go this concept please. Money does not define your value. Have you been traumatized or something?

Many guys on the spectrum don't even realize their real problems if it comes to women. Their biggest problem is their low self-esteem paired whit a lack of empathy. He's right that women aren't into loosers. But he doesn't realizes at all that he makes himself one.


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01 Jul 2020, 1:58 pm

quite an extreme wrote:
LunaticCentruroides wrote:
I notice your fixation on money here again. Try to let go this concept please. Money does not define your value. Have you been traumatized or something?

Many guys on the spectrum don't even realize their real problems if it comes to women. Their biggest problem is their low self-esteem paired whit a lack of empathy. He's right that women aren't into loosers. But he doesn't realizes at all that he makes himself one.


So then according to you women are liars? Cause women in my area have told me over and over it’s about my job and income. Some go so far to say they find me compatible and I’d make a good bf if only I had a real job.

But hey what do they know they only women right, you as a man clearly know more then them why they won’t date me.


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01 Jul 2020, 3:00 pm

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So then according to you women are liars? Cause women in my area have told me over and over it’s about my job and income. Some go so far to say they find me compatible and I’d make a good bf if only I had a real job.

Women are different but not into loosers. May be you did talk to much about income and once it was to much for them they used it as excuse to reject you for not hurting your feelings to much. Care about your clothes and try to act never self-accusing because of your income or anything else.
A higher self-esteem is also a way to sell more because people are more likely to buy what more self-confident and for this cool people tell them that it's cool.


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quite an extreme wrote:
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So then according to you women are liars? Cause women in my area have told me over and over it’s about my job and income. Some go so far to say they find me compatible and I’d make a good bf if only I had a real job.

Women are different but not into loosers. May be you did talk to much about income and once it was to much for them they used it as excuse to reject you for not hurting your feelings to much. Care about your clothes and try to act never self-accusing because of your income or anything else.
A higher self-esteem is also a way to sell more because people are more likely to buy what more self-confident and for this cool people tell them that it's cool.



I really have to agree with you on that point.


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So then according to you women are liars? Cause women in my area have told me over and over it’s about my job and income. Some go so far to say they find me compatible and I’d make a good bf if only I had a real job.

But hey what do they know they only women right, you as a man clearly know more then them why they won’t date me.


Again, I'm sorry to hear you had such bad experiences.
But you don't want a woman like that in the first place.
Otherwise it makes sense, that they possibly used it as an excuse.



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01 Jul 2020, 3:58 pm

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I really have to agree with you on that point.

Because it's fun to be submissive for women at a certain point? :twisted:


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01 Jul 2020, 4:37 pm

As a radical egalitarian I find that article frightening. To each their own, I suppose. I actually do not have an internal sense of my gender and pretty much see people as people.

That being said, there is a place for safe power differential role play. I used to be in the local sex positive community and I knew many dom sub couples (a mix of genders for each role). What I noticed is that healthy couples are equal no matter what their kink.

Domineering people have no business being dom and insecure people have no business being sub. The best doms are people who have deep compassion for their partner. The best subs are powerful by their own right. Sounds very counter-intuitive but I feel anything else is abusive.

As far as a cultural/religious/sexual based submission of women goes... that is something that should be fought against!

Oh... and the redonkulous idea that women are there to provide men with sex makes me sick to my stomach. My wife is asexual and she often has fears that she is not meeting "my needs". Why would I ever want have sex with someone who does not want to have it with me? I think the submissive wife stereotype feeds in to these insecurities for her. I certainly wont be sharing that article with her, lol.

Interesting thread!


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