KT67 wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
OP, try to convince first the society that it's ok for women to ask out men and pay for dinners, before convincing them to propose and buy rings.
There's still way to go before that.
Reason I said it is general society of people I know know that. Including my mother's generation who are in their 50s. My mum proposed to my dad in the 80s when it was rarer than today.
That's why it becomes a bit cheeky when women propose to men but then expect men to spend 3 months wages on a ring for them. The exact same guy who they proposed to...
Guy proposal: Down on one knee with box in his hand with ring in it
Girl proposal: Down on one knee maybe/other romantic gesture otherwise then 'ok, now we've got to go buy me a ring'
This is probably different in different cultures, including US/UK split and different parts of the UK/US.
People I know, it's my grandparents' generation who didn't have girls asking boys out. My parents' generation where women didn't propose to men very often. Even my parents' generation (divorcees amongst them) grew out of it by their second weddings.
Eg my cousin proposed to her fiance then expected him to get her a ring. And I'm the only one who thinks it's a bit cheeky. He went and got her one. They're in their late 20s.
So imagine if a man does that, kneeling then demanding a ring.
What would be the man's chances that it will be well received in your opinion?
I know that you are a very strictly feminist, but you should start observing other women to find out, that the majority of them, NT women in particular, are very resistant to change certain things, and the dating traditions is one of them (actually, probably one of the only things) especially when these things are in their favor. I don't imagine that one day soon we will see crowds of women protesting for acquiring the privilege of buying 3 months wages rings for their men or for the very least to pay dinner, right?