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23 Apr 2025, 4:10 am

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I agree with the above. If you want to apply the leagues metaphor, everyone notices when someone's looks are in the pro leagues, but they fail to consider that someone's personality might only be Junior C.

A lot of people would happily settle for AAA looks and a Junior Major personality, over say Junior Major looks and a Junior B personality.

Sadly I peaked as a Junior B in looks and beer league in terms of personality.

I don’t understand what any of that means. :lol:

A couple liters of Steam Whistle Pilsner would greatly improve your comprehension.


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23 Apr 2025, 10:51 am

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I sometimes think I'd probably be an incel if I raised the bar a bit higher


Well, even if you were an incel in practice in such a scenario, you wouldn't have to identify as an incel, or join any such community. There is always that. :skull:


Incel is a condition-involuntary celibate. You can be one and not identify with the ones who post online. Not identifying as one doesn't not make you one if you are in that condition.



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23 Apr 2025, 1:37 pm

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Nor I, but we do things different upsidedown.


TwilightPrincess wrote:
I don’t understand what any of that means. :lol:


C is lower than B, B is lower than A, A is lower than AA, AA is lower than AAA. Junior Major is higher than any of the previous tiers and is often a pipeline towards playing pro.

Baseball has a somewhat similar system, but no longer has anything ranked lower than Single A.


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23 Apr 2025, 3:30 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
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Nor I, but we do things different upsidedown.


TwilightPrincess wrote:
I don’t understand what any of that means. :lol:


C is lower than B, B is lower than A, A is lower than AA, AA is lower than AAA. Junior Major is higher than any of the previous tiers and is often a pipeline towards playing pro.

Baseball has a somewhat similar system, but no longer has anything ranked lower than Single A.

There's also Rookie League which is lower than Single A.


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23 Apr 2025, 3:35 pm

So it's basically what size battery is rammed up your rear end?



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24 Apr 2025, 6:33 pm

The 80/20 percent "thing" just sounds like a subversion of the Pareto Principle, in order to justify more "hypergamy" rubbish from a different angle.

The concept of the Pareto Principle is meant to express that 80% of outcomes are the result of only 20% of the inputs. Basically, 20% of the things you do, are responsible for 80% of the things that happen to you.

The source of this concept came from the observation that 80% of the land in Italy was owned by only 20% of the population. Which sounds far too much like "the top 20% of men get 80% of the women" for it to be a coincidence.

You'll notice that the Pareto Principle specifies "outcomes" not "successes". That's cos the outcomes don't have to be positive. Good choices result in good outcomes, while bad choices result in bad outcomes. That means if you're getting mostly bad outcomes, it's a result of a relatively small number of bad choices.

Maybe it's not that women are too picky. Maybe you just aren't as spiffy as you think you are.



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25 Apr 2025, 11:47 am

I can't see why people ponder these numbers. 80/20, 70/30 or 60/40...how does it matter? All you can do is throw your hat into the ring, do your best and hope to get lucky.


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25 Apr 2025, 1:37 pm

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So it's basically what size battery is rammed up your rear end?


No, battery sizes work in the opposite order. :P


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25 Apr 2025, 4:29 pm

To elaborate further:

Here's how it's been subverted. The intended point of the 80/20 rule, in business, is to find out what those 20% most effective inputs are, and focus on those - or to find your worst practices, and stop them - in the name of efficiency. Where the incel mentality co-opts the concept, is unilaterally assuming that the "best inputs" are being attractive, wealthy, dominant, etc - and that most women must prioritize them - and basically ignores the existence of negative traits or anything else.

It refuses to acknowledge the importance of literally anything else, except as being of secondary or minor importance, after the money and looks - or acknowledge that maybe looks and wealth don't matter as much as they're thought to.

It also ignores the flipside, and how negative behaviors can undermine any good qualities you might have. Rating people with numbers is sketch, but I shall use numbers as the lingua franca of the realm to make the point. The scale doesn't go from 1-10. it goes from -10 to +10. Like, and dislike. Zero being neutral or irrelevant. There's a scale for every trait you have, good or bad.

Not every scale matters - or matters to the same degree or extent - to every person. You could be a 5 on looks, but a 1 on personality and a -5 on attitude - and if they don't care about looks, you're a -4, in total.

To reiterate my initial summation, maybe it's not that your looks aren't high enough, or your wealth isn't high enough, but that your other qualities, negative qualities - ones that people downplay or refuse to acknowledge - are eating away at your "score" more than you realize.



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25 Apr 2025, 4:33 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
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So it's basically what size battery is rammed up your rear end?


No, battery sizes work in the opposite order. :P

I never before thought about that.


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25 Apr 2025, 4:39 pm

Maybe it's an American thing, but I go out in public and see some very unattractive couples who are raising kids. Of course, in the US, having no tolerance of at least some degree of obesity substantially limits one's dating choices.


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25 Apr 2025, 6:54 pm

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25 Apr 2025, 8:09 pm

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This has probably been spoke about before so apologies in advance

I struggle when I hear this statistic that 80% of women are only attracted to 20% of men


Does it also apply the way around?


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25 Apr 2025, 9:47 pm

the question may have been answered already but this is specifically relevant to those young men in the manosphere. the prevalent numbers used by manosphere spokespersons is 90/10 which were sourced from the manosphere guru Jordan Petersen.

So for young men unable to find a g/f and listening to the fresh and fit podcast or Andrew tate or any other pro-man dude on the internet it's 90% of single women are only attracted to the top 10% of men. Infact I've heard Myron Gaines even use 5% of men getting 95% of women to swipe right.

Debating the veracity of these numbers is pointless as the intended audience (young men who can't get a date or whom constantly meet the same "type" of woman on dates) hold fast onto these odds quoted in the manosphere.



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Yesterday, 1:11 am

RetroGamer87 wrote:
babybird wrote:
This has probably been spoke about before so apologies in advance

I struggle when I hear this statistic that 80% of women are only attracted to 20% of men


Does it also apply the way around?


Yeah that's what I'm thinking


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blitzkrieg wrote:
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It's another world innit

I think maybe some people want to be part of some kind of club or movement or even revolution if you wanna go to that extreme

It's like people just huddling together to find some kind of warmth in an otherwise cold and cruel world but I wish they wouldn't be so toxic about it. It's that that I don't get

It's like they're leaning into the poo and enjoying the stink


I think that your last sentence sums the situation up pretty nicely.



I agree! And it made me laugh! :lol: