02 Oct 2007, 1:38 pm
calandale wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Yes, I agree, just like the Apostle Paul wrote. Husbands and wives both have responsibilities to each other.
"Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything..." (Ephesians 5:22-33).
"Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything..." (Ephesians 5:22-33).
Of course! One misogynist teaches the other.
Nice strategic omission of the rest of the passage!
(I guess it threatened your "misogynist" label, or libel.)
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02 Oct 2007, 1:40 pm
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well... good to see these ideas are being bred out of the grander picture.... EVOLUTION
Are u still monkeying around with that silly no-God theory?Sedaka wrote:
i didnt miss any of your points...
gl finding your "little woman"
gl finding your "little woman"
Well, u missed one there, since I'm not looking. My mate radar has been shut down and mothballed -- I have "left the dating scene", and I'm "out of the picture".
The reason is that I know what kind of life I want, and that's the kind of life where I'm the only person on my premises.
And, BTW, here's a little science for you: evolutionists don't automatically breed evolutionist children, neither do creationists breed creationist children -- each child makes up his or her own mind, especially in pluralistic societies such as ours. So, if you ever have one, your child might grow up to be a creationist.
i reitterate.... i did not miss your point...
and thanks for the medicore science lesson............ there is environmental contribution to everything (as well as genetic) ... and i am just ever hopeful that childeren do not have to grow up with parents who have this mentality... as it is a very poor environmental contribution imho.
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02 Oct 2007, 1:45 pm
Ragtime wrote:
Sedaka wrote:
cal.... he wants them to follow every one of his sexual and domestic whims...
From where did u pull this idea? Don't presume to tell me what I want -- and you're so off it's ridiculous.
Sedaka wrote:
yet retain enough of an autonomous nature to be able to sing and dance and entertain him for when he doesnt know what he wants 
Sedaka thought to herself: "I know, let's just make stuff up about Ragtime!
"Sedaka wrote:
and cut the "i wanna stay single" crap.....
I'm not ruled by my emotions. Therefore, my "want" is defined by my decisions in how I'm going to live my life.
Sedaka wrote:
point is... it's not about women appeasing men or men trying to placate women.... it should be a mutual thing.
Yes, I agree, just like the Apostle Paul wrote. Husbands and wives both have responsibilities to each other.
"Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.
Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. After all, no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church—for we are members of his body. 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.' This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church. However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband" (Ephesians 5:22-33).
i am talking about crap you say in a bunch of threads...
i dont care to address your poor attempts @ manipulating my quotes... with all your dancing.
and you cant just agree with my last quote and turn around and say the opposite......... people in relationships should be equal.... there is no SUBMITTING...
do you consider yourself equal to god? no....
having a superior being may work in relgion but not in marriage.
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02 Oct 2007, 1:49 pm
calandale wrote:
Sedaka wrote:
cal.... he wants them to follow every one of his sexual and domestic whims... yet retain enough of an autonomous nature to be able to sing and dance and entertain him for when he doesnt know what he wants
and that's not too terrible in and of itself... only he's saying it's the woman's ROLE
like we can't expect the same... cause that's not what a man does and we should do it so we can KEEP our man... that's why it's not MUTUAL and therefore doomed.
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02 Oct 2007, 2:00 pm
Sedaka wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Sedaka wrote:
cal.... he wants them to follow every one of his sexual and domestic whims...
From where did u pull this idea? Don't presume to tell me what I want -- and you're so off it's ridiculous.
Sedaka wrote:
yet retain enough of an autonomous nature to be able to sing and dance and entertain him for when he doesnt know what he wants
Sedaka thought to herself: "I know, let's just make stuff up about Ragtime!
"Sedaka wrote:
and cut the "i wanna stay single" crap.....
I'm not ruled by my emotions. Therefore, my "want" is defined by my decisions in how I'm going to live my life.
Sedaka wrote:
point is... it's not about women appeasing men or men trying to placate women.... it should be a mutual thing.
Yes, I agree, just like the Apostle Paul wrote. Husbands and wives both have responsibilities to each other.
"Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.
Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. After all, no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church—for we are members of his body. 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.' This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church. However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband" (Ephesians 5:22-33).
i am talking about crap you say in a bunch of threads...
i dont care to address your poor attempts @ manipulating my quotes... with all your dancing.
and you cant just agree with my last quote and turn around and say the opposite......... people in relationships should be equal.... there is no SUBMITTING...
do you consider yourself equal to god? no....
having a superior being may work in relgion but not in marriage.
U just don't get it... but that's no crime. You're not able to talk about Christianity, because it is spiritually beyond your scope.
So, you don't understand how a man can love his wife, and still be the leader of the home. The concept simply eludes you, even though it has worked in various Christian homes for 2,000 years, producing countless smiling-n-satisfied wives.
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02 Oct 2007, 2:04 pm
Ragtime wrote:
Sedaka wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Sedaka wrote:
cal.... he wants them to follow every one of his sexual and domestic whims...
From where did u pull this idea? Don't presume to tell me what I want -- and you're so off it's ridiculous.
Sedaka wrote:
yet retain enough of an autonomous nature to be able to sing and dance and entertain him for when he doesnt know what he wants
Sedaka thought to herself: "I know, let's just make stuff up about Ragtime!
"Sedaka wrote:
and cut the "i wanna stay single" crap.....
I'm not ruled by my emotions. Therefore, my "want" is defined by my decisions in how I'm going to live my life.
Sedaka wrote:
point is... it's not about women appeasing men or men trying to placate women.... it should be a mutual thing.
Yes, I agree, just like the Apostle Paul wrote. Husbands and wives both have responsibilities to each other.
"Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.
Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. After all, no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church—for we are members of his body. 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.' This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church. However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband" (Ephesians 5:22-33).
i am talking about crap you say in a bunch of threads...
i dont care to address your poor attempts @ manipulating my quotes... with all your dancing.
and you cant just agree with my last quote and turn around and say the opposite......... people in relationships should be equal.... there is no SUBMITTING...
do you consider yourself equal to god? no....
having a superior being may work in relgion but not in marriage.
U just don't get it... but that's no crime. You're not able to talk about Christianity, because it is spiritually beyond your scope.
So, you don't understand how a man can love his wife, and still be the leader of the home. The concept simply eludes you, even though it has worked in various Christian homes for 2,000 years, producing countless smiling-n-satisfied wives.
quit with your condescending tone... it's unbecoming*
well, you all can clap each other on the back in heaven and congratulate each other over by the fireplace in the smoking room... while the wives all have their side of it in the kitchen whislt they clean dishes after dinner.
edit:* plus it does absolutely nothing for your leverage, since you cant seem to grasp that there are marriages that DO work outside of this sexist setup you invision. of all the marriages i know where both people are extremely old and happy with each other... they are nothing like you describe and yes, some of them are christian!
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02 Oct 2007, 2:06 pm
Sedaka wrote:
cal.... he wants them to follow every one of his sexual and domestic whims... yet retain enough of an autonomous nature to be able to sing and dance and entertain him for when he doesnt know what he wants
calandale wrote:
and that's not too terrible in and of itself...
Yes, but it's something you made up about me, Sedaka, out of thin air.
That's similar to the proverbial wife waking up angry, and slapping her husband for the awful thing he did in her dream.
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02 Oct 2007, 2:10 pm
Ragtime wrote:
Sedaka wrote:
cal.... he wants them to follow every one of his sexual and domestic whims... yet retain enough of an autonomous nature to be able to sing and dance and entertain him for when he doesnt know what he wants
and that's not too terrible in and of itself...
Yes, but it's something you made up about me.
That's similar to the proverbial wife waking up angry, and slapping her husband for the awful thing he did in her dream.
no, this is how you come across when you post of multiple threads on this topic.
i dont need to remember every single word you say (infact i prefer to save as much space as possible by NOT doing so) to get the jist of what you are about on this topic....
which also seems to include shifting your stance on everything where there are not quotes within the same thread to "crucify" you to.
02 Oct 2007, 2:12 pm
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02 Oct 2007, 2:56 pm
Sedaka wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Sedaka wrote:
cal.... he wants them to follow every one of his sexual and domestic whims...
From where did u pull this idea? Don't presume to tell me what I want -- and you're so off it's ridiculous.
Sedaka wrote:
yet retain enough of an autonomous nature to be able to sing and dance and entertain him for when he doesnt know what he wants
Sedaka thought to herself: "I know, let's just make stuff up about Ragtime!
"Sedaka wrote:
and cut the "i wanna stay single" crap.....
I'm not ruled by my emotions. Therefore, my "want" is defined by my decisions in how I'm going to live my life.
Sedaka wrote:
point is... it's not about women appeasing men or men trying to placate women.... it should be a mutual thing.
Yes, I agree, just like the Apostle Paul wrote. Husbands and wives both have responsibilities to each other.
"Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.
Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. After all, no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church—for we are members of his body. 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.' This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church. However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband" (Ephesians 5:22-33).
i am talking about crap you say in a bunch of threads...
i dont care to address your poor attempts @ manipulating my quotes... with all your dancing.
and you cant just agree with my last quote and turn around and say the opposite......... people in relationships should be equal.... there is no SUBMITTING...
do you consider yourself equal to god? no....
having a superior being may work in relgion but not in marriage.
Sorry to put you down ...but women are not equal to men in your 'great' Bible.
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