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12 Dec 2007, 10:27 pm

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This thread is starting to make me feel annoyed that I have probably been perceived as superficial or interlectually lacking because of the way i used to dress. I have some very nice short dresses that I'll probably want to wear sometime and I don't like the thought that it would knock twenty odd points off my perceived IQ.

Smart trousers and brogues it is then, but I'll convince myself I'm doing it because the nice guys are intimidated by me in platforms, not cos they think I'm thick and a 'ho.


Stop thinking like a woman. Stop listening to them too, that's the worst thing you can do. Men are initially attracted to women based on appearance, and if they like your personality they stick around.

There are some women here, don't mean to offend them, that are massive prudes and have massive hangups about sex, a holdover from Queen Victoria. They seem like nice girls, I just wish they'd pull the sticks out of their asses and stop trying to control who is attracted to who.

If a guy makes a judgment about you based on trousers and flats, that's still a judgment based on appearance.

The way a woman dresses says things to me about her personality. The best look is "approachable" if you want these "nice guys", whoever they are. If a guy is approaching you, he wants to place his genitals inside yours, end of story. If you have a decent personality, he'll stick around.

I detest shallow women, therefore I am drawn to women who display uniqueness and depth. To me, that is sexy, and dress is only one way of conveying those qualities.

I don't care about shoes. Women have feet? Never looked that far south!


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12 Dec 2007, 11:26 pm

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The trouble is most people then think I'm a pretty, adrogenous guy.


Perhaps there are other ways to accent your femininity without having to put on slinky dresses and heels?

Ever try wearing your hair longer - or a more distinctly "feminine" hairstyle? I'm not a huge makeup fan, but a tiny bit can definitely accent feminine lips, etc. Then there's the bust - something boys don't have. ;) I'm not suggesting plunging necklines and displaying cleavage - but avoiding the outfits that make your chest disappear (if it does) and also trying to steer towards clothing only a girl would wear.

(Pink dress shirts may be gaining popularity for men, but I haven't seen any in fluffy pink sweaters yet. ;)

(No, I'm not criticizing your choice of style, but I'm trying to think of ways to solve the issue...) :oops:



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13 Dec 2007, 12:33 am

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Stop thinking like a woman. Stop listening to them too, that's the worst thing you can do. Men are initially attracted to women based on appearance, and if they like your personality they stick around.

There are some women here, don't mean to offend them, that are massive prudes and have massive hangups about sex, a holdover from Queen Victoria. They seem like nice girls, I just wish they'd pull the sticks out of their asses and stop trying to control who is attracted to who.


Do you mischaracterize people by accident or on purpose? It seems like you're trying to exercise the very same sort of control over other people's preferences that you claim to dislike, trying to bully them into silence or discredit them by distorting their views and calling them names. If your position were really great, why would you need to resort to that?


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13 Dec 2007, 6:12 am

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she could probabloy make it on 'Age of Love' though and compete with the 20's.


Oh, definitely. They'd have a rough time up against me though, the poor little muffins.


Indeed they would! :D


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13 Dec 2007, 6:36 am

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Stop thinking like a woman. Stop listening to them too, that's the worst thing you can do. Men are initially attracted to women based on appearance, and if they like your personality they stick around.

There are some women here, don't mean to offend them, that are massive prudes and have massive hangups about sex, a holdover from Queen Victoria. They seem like nice girls, I just wish they'd pull the sticks out of their asses and stop trying to control who is attracted to who.


Do you mischaracterize people by accident or on purpose? It seems like you're trying to exercise the very same sort of control over other people's preferences that you claim to dislike, trying to bully them into silence or discredit them by distorting their views and calling them names. If your position were really great, why would you need to resort to that?

Just because a woman doesn't wear revealing clothes doesn't mean she is automatically a prude. I cover up my neck as much as I can because I'm very fair skinned and don't want to get that turkey neck look happening any sooner than I have to.


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13 Dec 2007, 7:47 am

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Do you mischaracterize people by accident or on purpose? It seems like you're trying to exercise the very same sort of control over other people's preferences that you claim to dislike, trying to bully them into silence or discredit them by distorting their views and calling them names. If your position were really great, why would you need to resort to that?


A little bit of both.

EDIT: Oh, and I don't have the authority to delete posts and censor the speech of others based on nebulous whim-based rules that you can never actually pin down. I just don't like being shat upon because I'm a male. There is a lot of misandry here, and I find it sickening and sanctimonious.

Getting mad at men for liking women based on looks is the moral equivalent of getting mad at women for having the temerity to menstruate. It's what we do, we are animals with a small sliver of rationality. Deal with it.

If you don't like men approaching you because you're pretty (you've posted a pic of yourself and you are uncommonly beautiful, btw) the only thing I can suggest is to stay home or splash acid in your face.

I understand that it makes you uncomfortable to be liked ONLY for your looks, nobody likes that, not even me, and I'm a narcissistic a**hole. Just don't think I won't call you on your bigoted and ignorant statements, they really offend me.


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13 Dec 2007, 9:29 am

Kurtz wrote:
sarahstilettos wrote:
This thread is starting to make me feel annoyed that I have probably been perceived as superficial or interlectually lacking because of the way i used to dress. I have some very nice short dresses that I'll probably want to wear sometime and I don't like the thought that it would knock twenty odd points off my perceived IQ.

Smart trousers and brogues it is then, but I'll convince myself I'm doing it because the nice guys are intimidated by me in platforms, not cos they think I'm thick and a 'ho.


Stop thinking like a woman. Stop listening to them too, that's the worst thing you can do. Men are initially attracted to women based on appearance, and if they like your personality they stick around.

There are some women here, don't mean to offend them, that are massive prudes and have massive hangups about sex, a holdover from Queen Victoria. They seem like nice girls, I just wish they'd pull the sticks out of their asses and stop trying to control who is attracted to who.

If a guy makes a judgment about you based on trousers and flats, that's still a judgment based on appearance.

The way a woman dresses says things to me about her personality. The best look is "approachable" if you want these "nice guys", whoever they are. If a guy is approaching you, he wants to place his genitals inside yours, end of story. If you have a decent personality, he'll stick around.

I detest shallow women, therefore I am drawn to women who display uniqueness and depth. To me, that is sexy, and dress is only one way of conveying those qualities.


It has been my experience that if I like a girl's personality I start finding her more attractive (even if nothing about her appearance has changed) and conversely if I dislike her then I find her less physically attractive.


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13 Dec 2007, 9:51 am

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sarahstilettos wrote:
The trouble is most people then think I'm a pretty, adrogenous guy.


Perhaps there are other ways to accent your femininity without having to put on slinky dresses and heels?

Ever try wearing your hair longer - or a more distinctly "feminine" hairstyle? I'm not a huge makeup fan, but a tiny bit can definitely accent feminine lips, etc. Then there's the bust - something boys don't have. ;) I'm not suggesting plunging necklines and displaying cleavage - but avoiding the outfits that make your chest disappear (if it does) and also trying to steer towards clothing only a girl would wear.

(Pink dress shirts may be gaining popularity for men, but I haven't seen any in fluffy pink sweaters yet. ;)

(No, I'm not criticizing your choice of style, but I'm trying to think of ways to solve the issue...) :oops:


I had long hair when I was younger. It didn't suit me at all - a hair cut makes me look like I've lost half a stone just because it shows off my bone structure.

I am wearing make up in my profile photo!! Or as much as I can bear to anyway. I'm alright with eye make-up but foundation and lipstick/lipgloss make me feel so uncomfortable. I don't even wear sunglasses in summer because I don't like having things on my face, (if that makes any sense).

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Stop thinking like a woman. Stop listening to them too, that's the worst thing you can do. Men are initially attracted to women based on appearance, and if they like your personality they stick around.

There are some women here, don't mean to offend them, that are massive prudes and have massive hangups about sex, a holdover from Queen Victoria. They seem like nice girls, I just wish they'd pull the sticks out of their asses and stop trying to control who is attracted to who.

If a guy makes a judgment about you based on trousers and flats, that's still a judgment based on appearance.

The way a woman dresses says things to me about her personality. The best look is "approachable" if you want these "nice guys", whoever they are. If a guy is approaching you, he wants to place his genitals inside yours, end of story. If you have a decent personality, he'll stick around.

I detest shallow women, therefore I am drawn to women who display uniqueness and depth. To me, that is sexy, and dress is only one way of conveying those qualities.

I don't care about shoes. Women have feet? Never looked that far south!


I think I got sick of this thread and decided to ignore it about a week ago. I am now pretty much wearing what I damn well like. I don't like your comments about women on this forum being prudes, I can't see any evidence for it and don't see why its any of your business anyway.



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13 Dec 2007, 1:56 pm

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It has been my experience that if I like a girl's personality I start finding her more attractive (even if nothing about her appearance has changed) and conversely if I dislike her then I find her less physically attractive.


Me too, except it becomes more of a case of not respecting her, rather than not wanting to have sex. I find it easier to have sex with women I don't respect; guilt goes out the window. I'm working pretty hard to get to a point where I can have a relationship with someone I respect, but I sabotage things on an unconscious level a lot of the time. I get a lot of things thrown at me...


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13 Dec 2007, 2:01 pm

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I am now pretty much wearing what I damn well like.


Cool. Then you are being yourself and letting your personality out. This is why I said to not listen to other women, it's all about conformity - I see entire packs of girls who all look the same, down to the last detail, and they sicken me. Superficial people attract superficial people, simple as that.

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I don't like your comments about women on this forum being prudes, I can't see any evidence for it and don't see why its any of your business anyway.


Too bad.


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13 Dec 2007, 2:35 pm

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I don't like your comments about women on this forum being prudes, I can't see any evidence for it and don't see why its any of your business anyway.


Maybe it is because he is too young for the Adult Issues forum? That is a rather swinging place, where the ladies are anything but prudes. :wink:



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13 Dec 2007, 2:44 pm

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I don't like your comments about women on this forum being prudes, I can't see any evidence for it and don't see why its any of your business anyway.


Maybe it is because he is too young for the Adult Issues forum? That is a rather swinging place, where the ladies are anything but prudes. :wink:


Well, I'm 27 and I've been around. I know what I'm talking about. I was not making a blanket statement about an entire sex, either, which is quite evident from what I wrote. I find it funny that when I say SOME women, there are certain individuals who flock to that statement quick as can be, basically saying that they are the ones that applies to.

Read 48 Laws yet? Comes in handy in all sorts of situations...


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13 Dec 2007, 4:02 pm

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sarahstilettos wrote:
I don't like your comments about women on this forum being prudes, I can't see any evidence for it and don't see why its any of your business anyway.


Maybe it is because he is too young for the Adult Issues forum? That is a rather swinging place, where the ladies are anything but prudes. :wink:


Well, I'm 27 and I've been around. I know what I'm talking about. I was not making a blanket statement about an entire sex, either, which is quite evident from what I wrote. I find it funny that when I say SOME women, there are certain individuals who flock to that statement quick as can be, basically saying that they are the ones that applies to.


Unless I've misunderstood, you've already admitted that you're being intellectually dishonest partly on purpose. I think the tactics you've employed are wrong to use, but I do know that they can be dangerously effective when onlookers don't recognize what's going on. It's pretty powerful, to insinuate that all those who disagree with you deserve whatever label you select.

Thanks for the positive content you've contributed, but please refrain from deliberately attempting to mislead other members.


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13 Dec 2007, 4:57 pm

To be fair he did say "some" women here, not some women in this thread. Men are at first going to be attracted to a woman based on her looks. Men will make the decision to approach a woman based on looks almost every time. That is the first thing they notice in real life about someone, is how they look (the other senses like smell and sound follow I guess). That is unless they meet through text means like on the net. That gives people some time to get to know eachother before they see what they look like (and have to smell or listen to the other person).

I didn't know Gwen was such a hottie until fairly recently when I looked back at her pictures haha. That might play into her disliking when men judge women purely based on looks. Good looking women get approached by all kinds of idiots of course. Maybe they get sick of being told how hot they are after a while. I doubt I would get sick of it though haha.

I don't go to bars unless dragged their by a friend. I have never approached someone in a bar or club. I don't see myself meeting someone I would have a meaningful relationship with at a bar or club. Maybe if I was more into the scene or something, I would care. I do like going to shows for bands that I listen to though.



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13 Dec 2007, 5:10 pm

This thread had made me think a lot about meeting people through friends rather than attempting to approach people you don't know. If you approach someone you don't know, that decision is always going to be based on a judgement you made about their appearance. If you meet someone through a friend, there's an obligation to talk and find common ground often before you've even had time to pass judgement, you can get into a conversation and have some chemistry going... it just seems better.

I have to say, I think the truth of this statement

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If a guy is approaching you, he wants to place his genitals inside yours, end of story


Is going to depend on the quality of the club you're attending. I purposefully avoid anywhere I view as a 'meat market', and go out on weeknights when people aren't so desperate to have sex THAT NIGHT. At the clubs I actually *like*, I really do think people get chatting because they're just interested in meeting new people.



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13 Dec 2007, 5:19 pm

sarahstilettos wrote:
This thread had made me think a lot about meeting people through friends rather than attempting to approach people you don't know. If you approach someone you don't know, that decision is always going to be based on a judgement you made about their appearance. If you meet someone through a friend, there's an obligation to talk and find common ground often before you've even had time to pass judgement, you can get into a conversation and have some chemistry going... it just seems better.


That's true, I'm finding I have more luck when people are somehow 'forced' to talk with me... either through friends or in a job setting... or now with tutoring. If i just approach someone, based on looks and the first few comments I say... they'll probably reject me. But once we get talking and share some common experiences they appreciate and start to like me much more.

And if the first impression is pretty bad, friends can encourage you to give someone a second look.


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